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We jump from viral internet chaos to true crime and paranormal lore, then keep circling back to the same uncomfortable truth: mental health is messy, personal, and easy for society to mishandle. We debate obsession, boundaries, meds, masking, and accountability, while still making room for ghosts, Skinwalker Ranch, and the fear of something touching your feet in the dark.
• correcting our anniversary date and riffing on regional cryptids
• reacting to Perez Hilton’s public breakdown and what it shows about social media moderation
• unpacking “Peter Pan Girl,” Disney adults, fandom, and personal boundaries
• reading listener feedback on Blair Witch and why it worked as “real” horror
• exploring South Mountain Magic, local witchcraft lore, and stories of entities in the woods
• talking dream investigation ideas and why Skinwalker Ranch fascinates us
• breaking down the Lindsay Clancy trial at a high level and the role psychiatric meds may play
• arguing about masking, system failures, and where accountability should land
• zooming out on the mental health system, institutionalization, therapy quality, and modern society
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SPEAKER_04Man, our last episode was called We Lied Tiens, and I lied during the episode. Not only did I lie that we weren't gonna have an episode, but I told you that our anniversary was like August 17th or something. The very first episode of Guild of Trash Podcast released on August 8th, 2024, and the title was Caution. Yins have entered Ohio Grassman Country.
SPEAKER_03No, that was a good the Ohio Grassman. What a fun. Everywhere's got a big foot. I found out this week that Australia's got a big
Anniversary Fix And Cryptid Talk
SPEAKER_03foot. They call it something. The Aborigine people have called it something for thousands of years. Everywhere China's got, you know, of course, the Yeti and all that stuff. Everywhere's got a big foot. Ohio's got the grass man. The grass man of the grassland.
SPEAKER_04We've got the squonk over here, which is not a bigfoot.
SPEAKER_03No, but we have regular Bigfoot too.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, that's right. We're in the Chestnut Ridge, and we talked about that already.
SPEAKER_03Alright, we got Bigfoot here in PA, buddy.
SPEAKER_04So this episode, when I was putting together the theme, I didn't mean to, but uh I have to tell you, it's about mental health. That's exactly what it's about. And I'm sure we've covered mental health in many ways.
SPEAKER_03We have covered mental health in many ways. And I see what you're getting at. It's not necessarily about mental health, but it's the string that ties it all together.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it is. So, first of all, while we were away, something crazy happened in the mental health space. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
SPEAKER_03What happened? Perez Hilton. Oh, yeah. He went off. You were watching it like
Viral Breakdowns And TikTok Moderation
SPEAKER_03some kind of psychopath.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but so for I don't know.
SPEAKER_03If you don't, don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_04He's like the original influencer, kind of.
SPEAKER_03He's he's he he was a sele he's he's like the original like celebrity troll.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like he he took paparazzi to the next level.
SPEAKER_03Right. He was like TMZ, but like if done by the crew of jackass or something.
SPEAKER_05Right. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03It was like just very lowbrow fucking cheap shots, very yeah, just very just clickbait stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, very clickbait. That's yeah, he's the OG clickbait. That's exactly right. I mean, I don't know because I don't know internet history, but as far back as I can remember, he's the OG clickbait.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, for those of you that don't know, he had like a mental health breakdown. He was like stabbing and cutting himself on TikTok. Right.
SPEAKER_04And uh I just happened to be on TikTok during that time frame, and someone in my group chat was like, Hey, are you guys watching this? And I was like, watch him what? Boom, clicked it. And there I was fake, staring at his bush. No, I'm joking. I mean, I'm not joking. He was naked as a jaybird, cutting himself, and like it doesn't like so many people are like, I'm traumatized, I'm triggered, and I'm not traumatized, I just don't want to look at it. Right, like I get that, but like I was I'm a studier of human. I'm a studier of human emotion, like I'm a collector of data, and um a lot of it is how I watch, I study people, how they do things, how they and there wasn't like once I realized that it was probably real, because I still wasn't even sure after they shut it down.
SPEAKER_03Well, because it was just weird, like it all went down.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was very weird how it all went down, and like people are like, Oh, TikTok shouldn't have left it up as long as they did, and blah blah blah. Like uh regardless of whether they left it up or not, TikTok is inconsistent. That's this moral of the story. They're inconsistent. It's like I mean, if you do a throw-up emoji sometimes as a comment, it'll get banned. I don't even know what I said that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, how many of this is just done by like AI?
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03So I mean it's not it's not within the realm of possibility. I mean, outside of the realm of possibilities, it just Right.
SPEAKER_04But something like that.
SPEAKER_03Do you know how algorithms work? They have weak spots, so they focused hyper focused like on something like that. Or whatever. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Well, the thing of it is though, like I think they know it actually made its way to a human moderator, and the human moderator was like Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it was only up for what? How many only 3,000 people saw it?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was like 36 minutes.
SPEAKER_03It was that long. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. Well, it probably took a minute to catch on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I mean, he's getting the help he needs. So, I mean, and it's controversial because people are like, why should we care? Some people some people are like, why should we care? You know what I mean? Like, so, anyways, that happened while we were out, and then this other thing that's going viral that I don't know if it's mental health or what it is, but it there it's called Peter Pan Girl.
SPEAKER_03I mean, that's mental health.
SPEAKER_04I don't know though, because I don't know if she's special needs. Like, there's there one way or the other, it's not been right, to my knowledge. But since she's been 16, she's been going to Disneyland out in Anaheim, California. And so obviously it's been different Peter Pans. It could be a different Peter Pan the same day, depending on how long she's there, right? She's like obsessed with them. Right. And she gives them gifts.
SPEAKER_02Like what?
SPEAKER_04Stuffed animals.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I was gonna say I would take some like gift cards or something
Peter Pan Girl And Disney Adults
SPEAKER_03like that.
SPEAKER_04Food, maybe. Yeah, is she a good cook?
SPEAKER_03She bring in some no, she stops over at the Disneyland World of China.
SPEAKER_02Get some general Donald Duck Chicken.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. Orange Donald.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Peking Donald.
SPEAKER_02Right. But Mickey on a stick.
SPEAKER_04There's like so what's and and I'm not using spectrum in autism, so don't like I don't want anybody to think that I'm being an asshole right here. I'm totally not, right? But you've got Disney adults. So this girl started when she's 16. She's 26 now. So that's 10 years of harassing Peter Pan. Harassing Peter Pan. And it went viral because the one seemed to like pull back whenever she was approaching him. Like she had crossed like his personal space boundaries.
SPEAKER_03I mean, imagine if you're Peter Pan, guys, at Disney World, Disneyland. And you rotate between you're like, when you get stuck with the Peter Pan shift, and you're like, oh God, here comes this bitch.
SPEAKER_04Tony. That's her name, Tony.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. They're like, get you know what I mean? That's gotta be especially on a day when you don't feel like dealing with it. You're like, get the fuck away from me.
SPEAKER_04And like it would be one thing if she so I've shown you like lives where people are dressed up as Disney characters on a TikTok live. It'd be one thing if she was like she dresses up, first of all. What does she dress up as? I mean, different characters and stuff, or like she'll just she wears like she should just dress up as like his shadow.
SPEAKER_02Or take her bell and just follow him around.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I'm sure she she probably has. I didn't do that much research into it. But the costumes she wears are really cute, but they're also for a 26-year-old, they're very childlike, they're immature, and there are she's not the only one. Stop it. I mean, the one does kind of she's trying to get with Peter Pan.
SPEAKER_03She's trying to get some Peter from Pan.
SPEAKER_04But people are like asking, like, does she even know that it's like a different guy?
SPEAKER_03She that's Peter to her.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03Peter Pan.
SPEAKER_04Right. Pan the man.
SPEAKER_03Pan with Peter.
SPEAKER_04Oh. But there's like Disney adults, right?
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04And then since Harry Potter came along, there's like the Harry Potter adults, there's the Marvel adults. And not all of them are on the spectrum.
SPEAKER_03Right, but a lot of those people have been, like, there's always been fandom of things. Sure. And people, like, those are the things that people have like always kind of taken it a step further. But but like, no, I get it. I mean, and some of them are completely normal. But then there's the ones that like are a little Right.
SPEAKER_04That like blend the worlds. Like, kinda, I don't know if they know how to do it.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I think that's that's what happens with anything. It's just like these people in you see these weird people.
SPEAKER_04Well, like, even people that are obsessed with like sports figures and stuff. Right. There's like, I think there's an account. I'm trying to remember who she says she's married to, but there's a girl on socials that she swears she's married to like a sports star or whatever.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I'd appreciate if you didn't talk about my relationship with Ben Rothelsberg. But still. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_04So, like, uh I'm not so that's why I was like, is it mental how what I mean? Is it just so like you know how there's different levels of intelligence, right? Is that she's just lacking in emotional intelligence.
SPEAKER_03Right. I don't know. I mean, I think that's but I think it all stems to a greater issue that the people's mental well-being. People, I don't even know what I'm trying to say, but it's like, like you said, there's so many different levels and combinations and nuances that there's no way to really pin it down to one exact thing. And it's just like some of them are crazy, some of them aren't.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03Like, but they all fall into like different categories. Even I'm just saying, like, just take Disney adults. There's a lot of different kinds. Like, some of them are probably nuts. All of them are annoying. But you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like right.
SPEAKER_04I mean, we like like I love ghosts and Bigfoot, but I don't like obsess about it or whatever. Like, right.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean, I get that, but like I think most people don't.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03Most people don't obsess, but most people have everybody has interests and stuff that they collect and this and that, but like there's always been a certain group of people that like to sort of like play things out, like in a fantasy world. That's why like Dungeons and Dragons is popular, Renaissance Fair, shit like that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like I was kind of into that. So when the internet first came about, that was like one of the first kind of chat group of people that I was in with was like the SCA Society for Creative. Yeah. So but to that point, like I was like I couldn't because some of those people like took the character too much. They took their character too far.
SPEAKER_03Listen, it's not fuck the fire department, it's fuck the police.
SPEAKER_04That's hilarious, by the way.
SPEAKER_03But no. No, some people it's just it becomes too much. It's like you just can't it's like on the I Love You Man when he goes to the thing. It's just like that the king guy takes it too far, Kim Jong.
SPEAKER_04Oh, that's not I Love You Man, that's a role models.
SPEAKER_03Oh, role models, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, Paul Rudd.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's all I know. Paul Rudd.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_03But you know the Paul Rudd movie.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I love Paul Rudd. He's not a good thing.
SPEAKER_03No, but it's the same, like he's like the the like the guy, the king guy, he just takes it too far. Right. They're their plan, but he's like making it this whole other thing.
SPEAKER_04We're gonna break up the mental health crises crises with a couple listener things real quickly. It might only be Mike P, to be honest with you, because I was doing other things this week, and I did not go through all of our old comments on our clips, which I really wanted to do. But Mike has some really good commentary, and he brought up some good points from just the last episode.
SPEAKER_03So, a couple things that I did want to go over that he did talk about was first one I want to talk about. We talked about the paranormal thing. We had that. You asked, what was the one paranormal thing we wish was true? And Mike brought up the all-time
Blair Witch Hype And Local Legends
SPEAKER_03greatest one I wish was true, Blair Witch. I mean, are you kidding me? I thought first off, I thought it was true at first.
SPEAKER_04At first, I know.
SPEAKER_03The whole thing, because they, and that's what him and I were talking about. Like, I don't think there could ever be another Blair Witch.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03Because it was a perfect storm of the internet marketing.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because that wasn't even like a thing that movies did yet. That whole like fake backstory with this found footage was a totally new concept.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And it just to take it to do it on like a shoest would just be like, here we're gonna put these people out in the woods and make it scary.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03It was like, and they sort of took this local legend and they like weaved in real things kind of mixed with like half-truths and just and then Hollywood, and then it became this whole phenomena.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like, and I remember people were like, first off, there was people that walked out of the theater. I remember it was the first movie I ever seen where people left.
SPEAKER_04Because they were scared.
SPEAKER_03I guess the the cussing or the uh the way that the camera was shaken or something, they'd like to do it. Yeah, so I mean it turned some people off.
SPEAKER_04So we s no, I saw it. Did I see it in a movie theater? Or did I see it in the drive-in? I feel like we saw it at the drive-in.
SPEAKER_02I saw it in a movie theater. I was with Dan Linda. We were over at Lyersburg.
SPEAKER_03But me and my friends then, of course, like we went out to like we wanted to believe that it was real, so like we like we were like, oh, it's based on truth. You know what I mean? Based on truth.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03So we were out there running around, you know, Burkett'sville, which is a tiny little town. It's nothing.
SPEAKER_04Right. Well, but it is a cool thing.
SPEAKER_03Well, we were went to the pla the uh when you're crossing over the mountain from like Roarsville over the mountain, it's what?
SPEAKER_02That's my voice.
SPEAKER_05Do you need do you need my inhaler?
SPEAKER_03No, I don't think.
SPEAKER_04Do you want the throat smell?
SPEAKER_03No, I think it was just something weird.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_03But you go over, it's like Gapland State Park or something. There's like that archway there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there was like some c the civil war battle there.
SPEAKER_04But we remember that's also we also did that like the hiss the spooky hill there's there.
SPEAKER_03Yes, but they push your hill, the gravity hill type deal at the bottom of the thing. Yeah, it's uh but yeah, no, it's an interesting place, and it was a fun, it was it would have been fun if that was real. Yeah. But the part of that too, though, is that whole region, which ties into another thing that Mike brought up, the whole like South Mountain Magic.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like that was a book, right? South Mountain Magic. Or like a mini-series or something. Yeah, there's a book or a mini-series about it.
SPEAKER_04Oh, that's cool.
SPEAKER_03And it's about that whole region and its history of like witchcraft and like well, and it ties into I think it's old German roots.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And which I mentioned it before because my family's a little further up the ridge, but not far, Fronts Creek area. So just above like Thurmont, and you know right. And like you know, like towards Emmonsburg, but regardless, anyway. And you know, you heard all of the like all those stories, and like um even my family like tied in with a lot of that, but like all those old German immigrants and stuff, that's where all that came from. And a lot of it was folklore, you know, like it usually is, but it was because they were a lot they had a lot of like that old medicinal stuff that they did. So a lot of it was just accusations, but I mean I'm sure there was something to some of it, but it's interesting because just that area has such a rich history of that tradition.
SPEAKER_04So I mean, but like here's the thing though, is if we dug deep enough, doesn't all of America just saturate in maybe not. Maybe there are places where it's really Puritan.
SPEAKER_03I think it's because it's like it just depends on who settled there back in the old days.
SPEAKER_05Right. Right.
SPEAKER_03Like it's who was the settlers, yeah. Here's the book. So South Mountain Magic Magic, Tales of Old Maryland.
SPEAKER_04Wait, do we have that book?
SPEAKER_03No, we don't. No, we don't. We need to get it.
SPEAKER_04Who wrote it?
SPEAKER_03A person named Madeline Vinton Algren.
SPEAKER_06I don't know any of that.
SPEAKER_03It's uh from 1882.
SPEAKER_02And it tells local lores and legend of the Wizard of South Mountain, Michael Zidl. They called him the Wizard of South Mountain. Was an American occultist, serious man, a magician, author, and mountaineer. Born to a German father, American mother, da da da da. But the Zittle family of South Mountain.
SPEAKER_04Well, like the other South Mountain, too, was said to have like the South Mountain where the orchards are and stuff, like the Pennsylvania South Mountain. Right.
South Mountain Magic And Haunted Woods
SPEAKER_04Because there's like two South Mountains that are in the same range. Right.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it's basically like the same sort of mountain side. It's that like ridge of the Appalachian.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03Like whatever you call that.
SPEAKER_04And half of it is down in like Frederick County, and half of it is up in well, wait, is like Thurmont Frederick County?
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's all considered that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And then the other part is up in like Adams County, Penn Pennsylvania, right?
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04And the reason I'm bringing that up is because one of the best psychics that ever existed. Now, I don't know if she is or not, but Miss Aggie, if you've ever been out in the Gettysburg area, you will know who Miss Aggie was. She read for me a couple times. We were cool because she used to come into the Gettysburg Moose and just like set up shop there. Well, yeah, she drank, but she would just set up shop and read for people inside the moose.
SPEAKER_03And buy her beers.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And but she had her own shop, like out there. But anyway, so Miss Aggie read for me. And so when she read for me, Dakota was four, so I already have my tubes tied or whatever. And she was like, You have two sons and two daughters. And I was like, No, I don't. She's like, Yeah, you do. I was like, No, I don't. She's like, Well, you don't have them yet, but you're gonna have them. And so, like, I always thought that I would like marry somebody who had a son, because obviously my tubes were tight or whatever. So Aggie's dead now, but she was right.
SPEAKER_02All these years later.
SPEAKER_04All these years later, she was right. Well, which is just weird because like there, I'm very much a pattern person, and I needed that forth. Like, I need balance in a lot of my stuff, so that was kind of cool. But, anyways, so oh, we were talking about Mike.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we were talking about the South Mountain Magic type thing, and Mike was telling us about something like the area itself, he was talking about the house. That he lives in, and it's not like it's nobody ever died there or anything, but like the people have reported like seeing things or feeling things or whatever there, and like even tales of, and I don't know if he was talking about this property or a different property in the area, like tales of like almost like an entity, you know what I mean? And so that's other things that I've heard a lot of stories about about that mountain range is like entities, right? And because you know, of course, grandma talked about that, right? And I've heard other people talk about that sort of thing, seeing seeing things out in the woods, you know what I mean? Weird things. That's scary, like things that weren't there, you know, stuff like that. So oh yeah, very scary. Dad said that he came across a pack of Satan worshippers one time. Jesus. In the middle of the woods, like war in this field and stuff, in this circle in these robes and stuff.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. That's insane. I don't even know what I would do. Like, I've never we used to talk ghost stories and do exploring and stuff like that, but I don't think I've ever come across anything like super crazy.
SPEAKER_03But there's certain spots in the woods there that and then talk about like people, like certain areas of the woods where it would fe you would feel like people were there with you or I hate that. I hate that.
SPEAKER_04So what's crazy though is like when I was younger, I maybe I was just fearless because I was in my 20s, and we all are, right? But like when we were in the woods, like we partied in the woods all the time, and it's not like I knew the woods, it's not like I knew the area well, it's not like I like grew up in these hills. Like we partied in all kinds of places in the woods, right? I've been drunk off my ass and survived in the woods with no cell phone, not knowing where I was, and made it to home base more times than I can count. Like more times than I can count. It's insane. It's insane. And the reason I'm saying that is because I think there are some woods that just aren't scary though.
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah, I'm not saying always.
SPEAKER_04Which makes the other ones way more scary. Because do I think that I could do that in the Me show? Fuck no. I got lost in the Mishow walking around one time, and it was the scariest thing I've ever encountered in my entire life. Which is wild because there's so many people up there all the time. I would have found somebody eventually. Oh my god, yeah. You couldn't walk too far. But I did. Like, I made it.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean if you would have walked, you'll eventually hit a road. There's no place where you can go like more than two miles or so and not hit a road.
SPEAKER_04Right, right. But it was getting dark and I was scared. Right. And that was making me like not be able to think. Well, like that it was a test for me because I have to realize, like, when I get scared to stop and think first rather than just actioning, because I'm an actioner.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_04Right. So, but that was fucking scary because like I didn't have nothing with.
SPEAKER_03Well, it was crazy because you weren't that far from us, and we had only seen you like five minutes before that.
SPEAKER_04Right. And I made it far, and then I'm pretty sure I timed them.
SPEAKER_02So it was very weird.
SPEAKER_04Well, I walked through a time portal and Me and Chicken were looking for, you remember? Yeah, I was in a field. Like I was at the top of the mountain in a field.
SPEAKER_02Well.
SPEAKER_04A big clearing.
SPEAKER_02Uh, I don't know what to tell you. Bigfoot took you there.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_02No, they think Bigfoot has time jumping spatial abilities.
SPEAKER_04But he scared me. I was just looking for it.
SPEAKER_02Maybe there was one there and it, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Maybe I picked a mushroom that portaled me.
SPEAKER_02Maybe.
SPEAKER_04Hmm. That's crazy to even think about. Because here's the thing about this is that's the dichotomy. Saying what I said about how many times I've been in the woods, fucking never been scared. Maybe being drunk was part of that. Like when you're drinking, you're not as well.
SPEAKER_03Well, when you're with a group of people, too.
SPEAKER_04Right, but I'm talking like me breaking from the group. There were several times. No, I get it. One time I ran from the cops the whole way through the woods and made it.
SPEAKER_03Right, but I'm just saying, like, it's like you said, certain woods, though, it's different. It's not right.
SPEAKER_04I guess maybe here in Johnstown, because there's none of the woods were dense enough that you wouldn't make it back to Well, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03It depends on where you're at.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's exactly what it depends. It's like woods are not inherently scary in and of themselves. Right. But when you're in the middle of nowhere, first off, isolation in the middle of nowhere is scary. Right. Look at it's the same phenomena people experience when they go out into the middle of the ocean.
SPEAKER_04Really, see, I don't think I would be that way in the middle of the ocean because like I don't feel alone in the ocean. My you saw.
SPEAKER_03Well, I know, but it's a known phenomena, is what I'm saying. It has a name in everything that people experience when they're out in the middle of the ocean.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And it's like this weird disconnect because you're so far away from everything. And I think it's the same sort of thing like that triggers in your mind in that situation.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03That you like feel completely sort of helpless.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03Because you're in the whatever.
SPEAKER_04The unknown or the great unknown.
SPEAKER_02The Bermuda Triangle.
SPEAKER_04No, I used to love it. When we lived at Myrtle, I used to try to get as far away from the shore as possible and see if I could not see people to see if it would scare me and it wouldn't be a good idea.
SPEAKER_02That's different too.
SPEAKER_03I'm not talking about that kind of middle thing. I'm talking when you know you're 4,000 miles away from any shore. You when you can like, and it's just you in this great big sky in the middle of the night. Do you have a boat? No, but that's the people that experience this. It's a real thing.
SPEAKER_04No, I'm asking, like, are you talking about people who are on boats expensive?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh, they're not just like floating.
SPEAKER_03Oh, they're in boats.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03I don't know how many people have been floating that far out. That's like at a broken fucking wing of a plane, and they're like, you know what was weird though? When I was out there, I felt completely alone. It was very no, those people are just hanging on to survival. I'm talking people in boats that are like complete, just like maybe not alone, but at the alone at the moment, or whatever on a crew crew small crew or something, or whatever. Not like a big ship, but it's like a thing.
SPEAKER_04Right. Yeah, like people like like stepbrothers' parents when they were gonna sail the world. Oh, speaking of which I just remembered a video.
SPEAKER_03The Catalina wine mixer.
SPEAKER_04No, remind me about Johnny Hopkins later. Okay. Because I'm the biggest asshole that ever lived. I'm just really good at what I do. That's all. Talking about trolling somebody. Oh, so Mike also talked about. Oh, wait. So just getting back, he talked about a phenomenon of feeling his foot touched in the middle of the night. That's the fucking scariest feeling ever in life.
SPEAKER_07Right.
SPEAKER_04That I am terrified of that so much that I now sleep with socks and two blankets over my feet. Like I well, now that I'm going through menopause, I guess I kick out a lot and I do let my feet hang out under the covers. But for most of my life, even if it's a hundred degrees in my room, my feet have to be covered because I'm scared to death that somebody's gonna touch them.
SPEAKER_03Right. I mean, the only time I think people yeah, I just don't I don't want nobody touching me while I'm sleeping. That's just scary in and of itself. Let alone feet.
SPEAKER_04Right, right. Don't touch my feet. Yeah, I don't want anybody touching my feet, period.
SPEAKER_03Right, but I don't let alone while I'm sleeping, let alone touching me, period, while I'm sleeping.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03No.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03I don't like it if I accidentally it's like the cats or the blanket or something. That's a scary thing.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03Or you.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03I don't even like that. I touch a stray foot and I don't know what it is. I know. Every once in a while I'll be like I'm like, what the fuck is that?
SPEAKER_04Now people are like, wait, what? So first of all, we have a king-sized bed.
SPEAKER_03A lot of people do. I sleep on one side of the bed.
SPEAKER_04He said he sleeps on the extreme one side, and I sleep on the extreme other. We're not cuddlers, and I like it that way.
SPEAKER_03Well, no, it gives each person room to flip. We're both flippers.
SPEAKER_04That's what the problem is. We're both flippers.
SPEAKER_03You're a flipper, I'm a flopper. It is chaos.
SPEAKER_04Anyway, so the one of the other things that Mike brought up was his dream investigation, which is a great conversation because all the shit you've been telling me this week.
SPEAKER_03About what?
SPEAKER_04So what's his dream investigation?
SPEAKER_03Oh. You were sitting here talking about this. Shows you how stupid I am. You're like, I was like, dream investigation. I was like, like the movie Inception, where they're investigating inside of dreams. I was like, really? I didn't know that. I didn't read that. He's gonna be a dream investigator.
Dream Investigations And Skinwalker Ranch
SPEAKER_03It's like some sort of Stephen King novel. Dream investigator. No, dream investigation.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_03And the what I said, what did I say? Like the Pentagon or something. If you could have unfettered access to it.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, you said like side R or whatever.
SPEAKER_03Or yeah, or yeah, exactly. Raven Rock. But regardless of any of that, the best place to investigate was Skinwalker Ranch. He brought that up. That's absolutely where I would want to go if I had Unfettered. Because you know how much I love Skinwalker Ranch. I love the show tremendously. Dr. Travis Taylor, I just watched that whole podcast. I just watched that whole podcast and I like him even more now.
SPEAKER_04No, I do want to listen to that though, because now you've got me intrigued.
SPEAKER_03It's so fascinating because like people say whatever speaks my language.
SPEAKER_04Like the kind of what you're telling me, the way that he articulates the science, the way that he understands it, is the way that my brain understands it, but I haven't studied science like him. Like I don't understand the the inner workings, but if I when it's like at the highest level, the way you're saying he says it, I'm like, yeah, that's how I think about things.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I mean but yeah, I and I mean, and I love anything related to that whole idea of Skinwalker Ranch. Like the idea, like I don't know. I love the investigation of it because it's just full of all these sort of different phenomena. It create it there we go again with that word.
SPEAKER_04I know. We've I've listened back to lots of the podcasts this past couple of weeks.
SPEAKER_03Well, we talk a lot about different kinds of phenomena.
SPEAKER_04We do. That's part of where we talk about it.
SPEAKER_03And but it's Skinwalker Ranch, it's a combination of several different things. It's of course it's like UAPs, it's these weird like anomalies like in the environment, like of like I don't know what to call it. Like the it's like, you know, we talk like frequencies, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like the different, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like stuff like that. It's like very weird.
SPEAKER_04But you guys, so wouldn't I like, and this is a question for Mike too, because I know he's gonna answer me. Are you guys not scared of the whole cancer fucking thing that happens out there? Like I'd be I'd be afraid that going out there and all the different frequencies would trip up some sickness that people have lived there forever. I know, but half of them look like they're dying.
SPEAKER_03No, that's only because they're Native American.
SPEAKER_04No, Native Americans look nice, they have nice skin. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_03They're depressed because the the team at Skinwalker Ranch stole their land.
SPEAKER_04Oh, God.
SPEAKER_03No, I'm teasing.
SPEAKER_04I'm talking about the people on Skinwalker Ranch. They all look like they're dying. No, they're not.
SPEAKER_03That one kid had brain cancer from the brain no, he didn't have brain cancer from the ranch. He had some kind of something. His skull started to separate away from his head or something. It was very totally normal. It was, but it wasn't that, and they have found radiation, but they scan for it, so they don't expose themselves.
SPEAKER_04It's scary though.
SPEAKER_03I just feel like they're like I would take a team of we'd have Geiger counters.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, I get it.
SPEAKER_03Measurements.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I get that it would be awesome. I don't disagree, but there's parts of me, like there's parts of science that I don't want to fuck with because biologically I don't know what of our circuits can be tripped.
SPEAKER_03Right. And also, but not just Skinwalker Ranch, but the entire Uinta Basin. Because you remember when Jack Osborne, they're like up at Fantasy Canyon, and they saw that thing, like they saw a skinwalker. It's the whole Uinta Basin.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and they saw Skinwalker. What else on that other show? Bustamante.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Remember it was walking that thing walking along the field.
SPEAKER_04That was the most awesome one. That scared the fuck out of me.
SPEAKER_03I don't think it's a good one.
SPEAKER_04Wait, what was that show? Who was they were going out on behalf of yeah, but it was him and that girl. They were going out.
SPEAKER_03Oh no, it wasn't Busamante. It was the uh Josh Gates.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_03It was Expedition X or But it was his crew.
SPEAKER_04The crew.
SPEAKER_03It was the crew from Expedition X or whatever it's called.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That he sends the mountain.
SPEAKER_04Because it was that girl. I like her, but fucking oh my god, that was the scariest. That was because it's hard to get me with like footage. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. I'm putting air quotes. You guys can't see it.
SPEAKER_03Especially with TV because they make it look more than what it is or whatever.
SPEAKER_04Right. But that hands down, legit was craziest footage I've ever seen. And but I mean, but I do believe in skinwalkers.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I believe in skinwalkers. It's scary stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it is. I mean, but now we're gonna have to keep deep dive in this because I'm gonna go listen to his episode.
SPEAKER_03Like Well, they don't really talk about that so much.
SPEAKER_04No, I know. It but the stuff that they do talk about is stuff that I'm way more interested in. But like I've never really listened to anybody talk about it because the people who normally talk about it are boring as fuck.
SPEAKER_03Well, let's pause here because we sound like a couple of lunatics. We're talking about Travis Taylor on the AJ Gentile podcast. It's called The Why Files is AJ's podcast, but he does a podcast called The Basement where he has guests. Travis Taylor from Skinwalker Ranch was on the most recent episode.
SPEAKER_04Right. And I haven't listened to it. Scott's listened to it, maybe more than once.
SPEAKER_03Yep. And he's articulating it to me, and I find it fascinating, but I want to hear it's a lot of stuff about crazy, like sort of weird science theories, and just a lot of really cool stuff to do with science and the universe and all of that.
SPEAKER_04I say we okay, so here's the thing. I say we have book club. I listen to the podcast, Mike P listens to the podcast, and then he calls in and we reviewed it and talk about it and discuss different theories.
SPEAKER_02Black holes in black holes, turtles all the way down.
SPEAKER_04All the way down. Plus, you know, I love a good synchronicity. I say it every episode. One of the driving factors in me being successful when there was a time in my life where I thought I might not get there was the book The Secret. And there was a time in my life where I heavily adhered to it, and I've gotten away from it over the years, and I joke about whether or not I should get back to it. But he wrote a book, right?
SPEAKER_03It's called The Science Behind the Secret.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, see, now I'm gonna have to read, and I thought I wasn't gonna do that anymore.
SPEAKER_03No, I know.
SPEAKER_04Damn it. I'll get it on an audio book and let somebody Yeah, let him read it to you. Well, I don't know if it's out here, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Science behind the secret, Chris. Here's what we got. Let me. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was gonna say, we take the secret, and what we do is we fire a rocket right into it.
SPEAKER_05And that's science.
SPEAKER_03And that's science. That's what I love about him, is because that's how he comes across, but he's actually a genius.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03But he's like, he's just sort of like a fun guy, too. So he says things like that. And he'll be but like I understand why they're doing, but they like also focus only on certain things on the show. So it's like, you know what I mean? They want to portray the action. So a lot of the times it's like him talking about shooting rockets and stuff. So it's just funny because it's like let's shoot a rocket at it. Because he sort of sounds like Ross Perough.
SPEAKER_04He does, but like with a little bit more bass.
SPEAKER_03Right. He's like, let's shoot a rocket at it. I love it. Takes measurements, science.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. But it's great though, because his personality makes me want to listen to it. Like if he's teaching a class. Oh, 100%.
SPEAKER_03And that's the thing, is I'm not knocking him in any way. Like, that's I love the guy. I think he's awesome. But it's still funny that that's like the way that he looks on the show.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So we talked about Disney adults and obsessed adults. We talked about Perez Hilton.
SPEAKER_02We've talked in past episodes about people being delusional about celebrities and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04We talked about delusional parasocial relationships. This segment is about the hottest topic this last week and a half, two weeks, two weeks or more, which is the Lindsay Clancy trial.
SPEAKER_02Those of you that are not familiar, she was a woman that killed her kids.
SPEAKER_04Three children, all under the age of five.
SPEAKER_03And then allegedly tried to kill herself afterwards. And so there's a lot to unpack there. That's a very super high-level overview. Basically, the gist of it is she's pleading like insanity.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03And they're sort of blaming it on the psychiatric drugs that she was prescribed.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And it and if you look at her history of psychiatric drugs over the course of the last year
Lindsay Clancy Trial And Medication Questions
SPEAKER_03prior to her killing her kids, I mean it's a litany of different things.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And so the question becomes, and I mean, they're gonna ask a lot of questions, and we're not gonna deep dive this part, but like it it begs a question like because it they're like, was she overprescribed? Was her system overloaded? Did it sort of cause this?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so we're not clinicians, obviously. We so it's all speculation, but we can comment from personal experience.
SPEAKER_03It's all speculation, even on their part.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03Just because it's well, first of all, you need a medical expert to say whatever you want.
SPEAKER_04That's exactly it.
SPEAKER_03So, like they're gonna have ones that say one thing, and you're gonna have an ones that say another thing. And so you're gonna have to discern for yourself what you think the truth is. And there's a lot of other nuances there, like, that come into play. Like her like her husband, they also her mother-in-law was living there. I and I don't know if her father-in-law was living there as well.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I didn't hear that.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. Well, that's what they said. Yeah, they were had a because they said about that she had a great relationship with her, and they were like, 'cause she was like there helping and stuff, and that like they went to the I don't know, they did stuff together. Regardless of any of that. I'm just saying, like, you'll have to go out and look. I don't you know you know the facts for Vader, but I'm just saying the there's a lot to it to unpack. And I listening to all the legal experts and stuff way in and back, I've gone back and forth myself, and here's the bottom line that I come to, and this is what I said at the beginning. She killed her kids. You know what I mean? She doesn't belong in society, period.
SPEAKER_04Right. Whether she did it with premeditation. or whether she's snapped in either scenario.
SPEAKER_03Well I'm just saying, even if they find her not legally responsible in the sense of she's not charged with murder, she still belongs in a psychiatric facility then for the rest of her life. That's I mean, so to me it's it's sort of I mean that's all they're really hashing out.
SPEAKER_04I don't think that it they're gonna that it's any more than that because I know but what's wild is the internet because there are people that think that he physically did it and drugged her up.
SPEAKER_03By he you mean the husband.
SPEAKER_04Correct correct and I'm just calling this out there because I don't want sued for slander. I'm not one of the people I'm reporting on what other people are saying.
SPEAKER_03Right yeah no I don't have a theory I mean my theory is what they said she admitted that she killed him. Right. She said that she did. That's not the argument the argument is was she of sound mind.
SPEAKER_04Right well so that's again where speculation comes into play because on the because the 911 operator was on social media and she was like I don't want to misrepresent what she said but she was like she sounded like she was weak. So she was like that's the misconception is that people want to believe that she was either coherently speaking or she couldn't speak at all because her thyroid was crushed.
SPEAKER_03Well first of all your thyroid is not your trachea right because what happened is she jumped out of a window broke her back. Right right and so and again this comes down to and again you have all these medical experts that sit there and say it's just like with the Charlie Kirk thing. People are like you can't talk when this happens you can't move when this happens you can't breathe when this happens yet here we are yes you can and that's the thing well that's what I'm saying like the human body does all sorts of weird shit man right that you can't really account for or plan for and that's why when you talk to the people that are the real experts they'll tell you the range of possible right scenarios is vast when it comes to injury to the body and what happens then after.
SPEAKER_04Right like how well it's so ridiculous too because there's like so for example one of the the counter theories was how cold or how into hypothermia she was I don't know the she was 82 degrees.
SPEAKER_03So here's the here's the big question and this is what raises eyebrows so she went to one hospital first because she was outside in the cold after she fell out of the window or jumped out of the window whatever she was out in the the northeast. So when she got to the first hospital they like turned her away because they said the injury first off they like this woman's back was broken like she had cerebral spinal fluid coming out of her nose which is the sign of severe brain trauma.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03You know what I mean like that if you have spinal fluid coming out of your nose shit seriously fucked up. You're right on the verge of death and they basically were like no she's got to go to this other hospital and so basically what I and they were like oh her injuries weren't that they called her wounds on her wrists and stuff superficial. Well if you're the same because you know the argument is that she didn't cut her wrist deep enough to kill herself so well if they weren't assessing her as having this good enough to even notice that she's had a very traumatic I mean she this woman needs immediate attention not four hours later. Right how can they you even think that they made a reasonable assessment of her wrist.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And because some of the reports vary as to how deep the cuts were where the 82 degrees comes in though is when they first get her to the hospital her core temperature is 82 degrees when she's treated four hours later it's still 82 degrees or something like that.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah it's very well that's that's I don't know it's coming into play because there are people too many people have so many theories but so the people who believe that the husband did it are saying that he turned the air way up the air conditioning like made it really cold in the house to fuck with the timing of everything.
SPEAKER_03Well and that's weird too because well I'm just saying I don't want to I just wanted to say before I don't know if what I just said was accurate in any way, shape or form. Okay.
SPEAKER_04Anything we're saying here is not right we're not I'm not even we're just chit chatting first of all we're not reading off of notes don't call it this is just shit that I've seen.
SPEAKER_03Right. I get the basic gist of it though. Right. And none of that the details of none of that matter I don't right I'm not here to hash out. Right. But I know the argument is that the first hospital didn't make a great assessment of her condition. Right. And she had very severe very serious injuries I mean she still can't walk right that's how serious injuries were she's paralyzed from the like the sternum down. Right. So like you know I mean obviously it's very bad injuries and I they part of the argument is that the first hospital didn't make a great assessment of those injuries. So the argument is that they weren't great at saying that the wounds for her suicide didn't look right basically. But what does any of that matter because they're saying if she just faked the suicide part killed her kids then makes it look like she had a mental breakdown by faking suicide faking a suicide attempt. That's what they're saying. That's the prosecution's argument.
SPEAKER_04Right. They're saying that no she didn't have a breakdown and it proves it because she didn't even really try to commit suicide you understand what I'm saying had a breakdown and that's the part I want to get into actually because here's the thing is people are really really bad at recognizing or let's say they even recognize people can be really bad at dealing with other people's mental health issues.
SPEAKER_03Period full stop in the story absolutely 100% ever because everybody has their own mental health issues.
SPEAKER_04And there there's women that are like eight eight months postpartum no way bullshit bullshit and bullshit first of all there's no like maybe there's some DXM for what there's a recommended timeframe for what is postpartum I don't know it has to be immediately following the birth but what I know is that gone untreated like if it had gone untreated for eight months well here's the thing people are like did she have a mental illness she killed her fucking kids right obviously she had something wrong with her.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03You don't do that because all counts are is that she was a great mother right prior to this nobody had any suspicion all these mandated reporters that she came in contact with doctors teachers other people that they were involved with nobody ever suspected that the kids were in any kind of danger or anything like that.
SPEAKER_04So obviously whatever it was that was going on she masked very well and people do mask very well and it doesn't even require that great a masking because to your point people don't even want to pay attention masking though so here's the thing you've seen me in manic episodes that's bipolar. When you're bipolar you're not masking 89% of the time you're living life as who you are and then when you go manic you there's there's different types of mania.
SPEAKER_03You're misunderstanding what I'm saying what I mean by masking is you're not talking to anyone about it. You're not letting those around you know that you might have something that makes you act a certain way or you're hiding it from the rest of the world. And I'm not saying you I'm saying people masking they hide but you bring me to a great point who she didn't mask it from was her husband.
SPEAKER_04And here he was very involved in the managing of her medication. And I'm gonna tell you one thing that jumped off the page to me that I heard in trial that is irritating to me because I've never heard a doctor say it. Maybe it was because she was new I don't know who all the players are in this. I don't know if it was the new doctor or the nurse or who said it. There was a bag of her pills in her husband's car. And his reasoning for having a bag of pills in her car is because her doctor told her this is what he said her doctor told her to like when they changed up prescriptions to just give them to your husband to get rid of he's not a doctor and that's a le it's literally illegal.
SPEAKER_03For him to get rid of them?
SPEAKER_04Right. They have medicine drop-offs that's not illegal It's illegal to tell to say yeah give your unused pills to your husband to get rid of we could go down that road but I don't know that that's illegal but regardless of any of that I think the thing Why wouldn't you just say flush them down the toilet?
SPEAKER_03Because you d you're not supposed to flush pills down. You're supposed to take them to a medical drop-off site at the pharmacy. You're not supposed to fl then they go into the water supply. Well why don't they make that more public it's a huge thing every time they do these medicine drives because they don't want because every time they do these water reports that all the medicines that people flush it's crazy. The fish got the fish like in the ocean have more antidepressants in them than like I you should read this stuff. It's crazy. It's terrible but regardless of any of that yeah you take them to a place and drop them off but she was very and the doctors also knew because she had a lot of questions around her medicine and stuff right and the thing is is the doctors also knew with her entire like and the doctors also but like and the doctors he the husband also tried to tell the doctors a lot of what was going on with the medicine bad reaction she was having and they didn't listen. In the one instance they increased her medicine where she was most likely having a serotonin overload they increased the ceroquil right and she probably that was what they think happened is her system was so overloaded with serotonin because of the SSRIs that she had basically like a nervous breakdown.
SPEAKER_04Right exactly and it pisses me off because first of all when you're bipolar SSRIs we know can oftentimes have an adverse effect right it's not the right thing for bipolar people. Well it's they've tried me on so I was on the lame that she was on and that made me violent I've been on Cerequel it made me a zombie like that like well butrons that didn't do anything it just made me hungry.
SPEAKER_03I'm just saying like I've been managing it for how long like probably seven years with no medication whatsoever and I'm not I don't recommend that to anybody but that's why that's exactly why because doctors piss me off well here's the thing this is the problem and this is why we don't really understand enough about mental health medicine correct and the brain and how it works to really be prescribing medicine to people just now I understand there's ex some cases where it's extreme and medicine's necessary but we prescribe antidepressants and stuff like they're going out of style and I just don't think that's the right answer because we don't understand how the interactions of the brain are so crazy and people's bodies and brains are so different in their chemistry that these pills can really mess things up.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03That's the thing is you start playing around with the brain's chemistry your body like can really get fucked up man I know and they that's why it's scary.
SPEAKER_04I'm saying like mental health you almost need to be able to do genetic testing to get the right medication and they're not there yet. Yeah I don't think that they're nowhere near that not with mental health medicine know that all of mental health is actually something that can be fixed with medicine medicine.
SPEAKER_03Right I the brain does have chemical embed we don't that's my point we just don't understand how the brain works enough right to be making medicine for it. The reason that we're able to make medicines for other things is because it's a very scientific very brick by brick that we know that this is the chemical that the liver produces that makes X happen.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03So if we can make something that makes the liver do this right then this will balance this out. But the brain we don't the brain is so complex we don't understand those mechanisms and those things that like correlate with each other.
SPEAKER_04Well well we never will no and here's why because you cannot you there's no litmus test for emotion.
SPEAKER_03Right we don't even know what it is like consciousness or emo you know what I mean like we don't even we can't even really quantify that in any way shape or form. We know what it is and how to describe it because we experience it.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03But there's no way to quantify it in any meaningful way to be able to and if we're living in the motherfucking simlers gonna make us do whatever we were going to do anyway right like it's insane. Well and then that goes back to the whole Travis Taylor podcast with AJ was the brain is a quantum computer. So your brain's firing like all so quantum computing so let's say that it is like basically a quantum computer how can you expect to have medicine to like we're playing around with buttons that we shouldn't be pushing. It's like a little kid that walked into the control room and he's just hitting things. Right. And yeah he sees that this works but he doesn't know that it also triggers this whole other thing because he just doesn't even understand how the systems work. That's us trying to prescribe medicine for the brain.
SPEAKER_04Right. That's exactly it while there are some chemicals that can be tested and you can get balanced for the most part that's not gonna be the fix.
SPEAKER_03Right. It's like and I'm not entirely sure that any success that they've seen on antidepressants and stuff is an entirely placebo effect.
SPEAKER_04Oh do you know what I'm saying like I'm not sure that there is any actual meaning don't get me started on that because I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV. Right right that's exactly right but and I'm not saying placebo effect but look at so using my dad as an example and he won't care because it's not HIPAA's family. I don't even know his real diagnoses. I know that he's diagnosed with multiple personality disorder right nothing he's ever taken in all of time has ever done anything to help him.
SPEAKER_03Xanax made him worse because he took alcohol with it right well he got electroshock therapy about a year and a half I don't know it's been like six years now he got electroshock he says that it didn't help because my dad's one of those people that nah absolutely you can right right it doesn't matter if it worked or not no medication helps right I'm pretty sure it worked because he's way I mean maybe age maybe age that's just it that's the other side of it is like well here's the thing is with some of these things and with the brain who's to say the brain controls so many things right and here's what's wild so that guy that I was watching on the Sean Ryan show the hypnotist guy he was explaining that there's people so in like there's people that can have one personality that has diabetes and it'll manifest in their body and then another personality when they're in this person maybe this wasn't that episode but whatever that's in this personality and they don't have it. Right. The physical ailment right so it changed so if your brain my point with all that is not to go down that rabbit hole but the point of that being is if your brain is able to control your physicality to that level you understand what I'm saying then maybe just the idea of something working is enough the placebo effect is enough to make it work for real.
SPEAKER_04And that's the difference of the secret.
SPEAKER_03But I'm just saying like it's you know what I mean like there's so many questions to be asked with that like with antidepressants and stuff like is there any real efficacy in the terms of the chemicals themselves upon the brain other than fucking things up.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_04Well now I mean now you got my gears turning because I'm like what if like let's say like your hormone levels come into play as part of the equation.
SPEAKER_03Right. Of like I don't want to think about chemistry right now but I'm just saying like it's one of those things like I just don't think that we should be messing around pushing buttons. Right where we and and because things like this happen. And not that every case where medicine is prescribed wrongly is going to lead to you murdering your kids.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03That's an extreme case in any situation.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And there's clearly already things wrong even whether or not she was on medicine, off medicine whatever. Right. Something has to go seriously wrong for that to happen.
SPEAKER_04Right. But here's the thing with that is there's so many people are like trying to say it's premeditated that she was planning all this I disagree as well. And then the other thing with that is that like she's some type of sociopath because no mother could ever do that. Like that they think that like the that a mom would like realize that that's her kid and not do it.
SPEAKER_03Mothers have been killing their kids since the beginning of time. Right. I mean maybe not the beginning of time but I'm just saying like mothers have been killing their kids for a long long time for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes it's breakdowns sometimes it's whatever right but the point being is mothers kill their kids.
SPEAKER_04Right. We've seen this before right and and yes some of it is malicious intent like some of them just weren't equipped to be a mom or didn't want to be a mom or whatever. Right like but not all of it is like some of it is literally just a breakdown.
SPEAKER_03Well and that's what I'm saying like how many most murders it doesn't matter who they are regardless of it's killing your kids or killing your neighbor right most murders are reactionary things. Right they happen in because a series of unfortunate events happened exactly boom boom boom something snapped and you reacted in a moment of course you weren't in your right mind for that 30 it can be 30 seconds or it can be 30 minutes. That's exactly it but think sometimes those things happen and that's the majority very seldom do people and I'm not saying they don't it does happen obviously but like usually that's usually those kind of people don't usually premeditate to kill their kids.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_04It just doesn't or a loved one period right usually those are reactionary passion not passion but you know they call it crimes a passion because it's an emotional it's an emotional reaction right to something but I also want to I also want to clarify too that like I don't sympathize with the part of her that snapped right I sim I feel bad for her now having to be like snapped back to reality right and deal with the consequences of what she did.
SPEAKER_03Does Because we've all been there. Right where we've all done something stupid in the moment and then you have to clean up the You're left to deal with it afterwards, even though you now realize the error of your ways.
SPEAKER_04Right. You acknowledge that you were wrong. And I'm again, so I'm not saying that we give her leeway. She she needs to be treated like any other murderer.
SPEAKER_03I agree.
SPEAKER_04100% needs to be treated like any other murderer. But the other thing that's making it controversial is how quickly, and this is again, it's always a hot topic. Three months after the funeral, her husband was remarried. The baby's funerals.
SPEAKER_03Right. I mean, I don't know if it was short time. A lot of the people are pieces of shit. It doesn't matter. I don't read too much into that because I just know how people are. Even if he didn't kill her, that doesn't mean that he didn't mean that they're relationship. You know what I mean? Right. He could be happy, not happy about it, but like you know what I mean? And not have done it. Right.
SPEAKER_05Like, you know, be relieved and I'm sure it was stressing them out and stuff.
SPEAKER_03So like I don't do I think that that is an implication of something that he did wrong? No. It's just like the Scott Peterson thing. Right. Is he a piece of shit? Sure. But does that mean that he murdered his wife? No.
SPEAKER_04Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Like, and I think that that goes with that. No, that's that's very fair. Because, like, I here and I struggle with this because like obviously, like, I feel like my mental health has gotten progressively better over the years. But I also like I reflect during times like this. Like, if God forbid, you would be put in that position, I wouldn't want you to be under scrutiny. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_07Right.
SPEAKER_04Like, and so like I have to think about that. Like, you and I talk about my mental health. I'm very open about my mental health. Like, I don't feel like I had it. It's very, very like if I'm sad or whatever, I'm like, hey, I'm sad today, leave me the fuck alone, or hey, I don't feel like talking today. Here's where I'm kind of maybe people might get pissed off for my opinion, but I kind of feel like he's culpable for not protecting his kids in the sense that he didn't realize with all the fuckery of the medication that something like that could happen.
SPEAKER_03Here's where, while I don't disagree with you that he should have been more aware and taken better steps, I also don't think that he's culpable in the legal sense of the word. Do I think he shares in the blame? Yes. But do I think that he shares in the blame in a legal sense? Absolutely not. Agree. People make bad decisions and things all the way. I I don't think that people should be held accountable for other people's decisions.
SPEAKER_04But what's the would they turn around and charge him with neglect?
SPEAKER_03I don't think so. I don't even think that he would win a civil suit. I mean, again, I don't think that like let's say her parents sued him for wrongful death. I don't even think they would win. I don't think there's even that much of a legal standard.
SPEAKER_04Circling back to Prez Hilton when he started his shenanigans the other week, his three kids were at the house. Right. And his sister and his mom were there, and they left with the kids. If they had left the kids there.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's different.
SPEAKER_04Because he was in because he was vegan.
SPEAKER_03He was in an active if she would have been like running around the house with a knife and he'd have been like, sure, stay here.
SPEAKER_05Right. Okay.
SPEAKER_03That would be one thing. But if he just leaves and it's normal as usual, right, there's no and I mean, even though she may have had a history, she had no history of hurting her kids.
SPEAKER_04No, I no, I get that, but when I the more I hear about all the medications and all the fuckery with the medication, you've been on SSRIs before, right? You know what some of those do. Like what benzo, she was on bed some benzos. Like all of that stuff makes people weird.
SPEAKER_03That's why I don't take it. I understand that. And but also other people aren't as good at recognizing symptoms of like that stuff in other people, especially if you don't really care or maybe disinterested.
SPEAKER_04Thank you. You said exactly what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03Is that wrong though? But I'm saying, is that wrong in a legal sense of the word? No.
SPEAKER_04If it fails to protect three children that are primarily in her care, yeah.
SPEAKER_03No, disregard for but like what I'm saying is you can't it because there's no line you can draw there that says this person can do it and this person can't.
SPEAKER_04No, I get it.
SPEAKER_03Like I'm not saying it like I'm not saying it's I'm just saying do I agree with you that he shares in the blame? Yes. And he whether or not it bothers him to live with it for the rest of his life, he has to. And maybe he reflects on that. I have no idea. But like I said, do I think that he shares in the blame? Yes, but I think a lot of people do. I don't think it's one person.
SPEAKER_04Oh no, I definitely think that the doctors share in the blame as well.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think it's a a lot of people did because a lot of people did missed things.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03Along the way.
SPEAKER_04It was failed failed system again.
SPEAKER_03It was failed system, but it was failed family too, and failed friend, failed everything is what I'm getting at. And maybe, but again, back to the point that it's like to your point earlier, it's not always easy to recognize things because unless something was going on with you, I'm probably not going to recognize nothing going on with nobody else because I really don't pay that much attention.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03So I'm just saying, like, it's like it's easy to not see things when you're not looking for them.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And when you and it's not that I don't give a shit or whatever, I just don't pay attention to it because it's like you got enough going on in your own life.
SPEAKER_04Right. To be worried about other things. So I'll give you an example that's kind of funny, and I'm not gonna say the person's name because I don't unless you want to say it. Your family had a friend that was crazy, but it was harmless crazy, right? But she was giving her money away, like crazy, and people knew about it. Like, do you protect an adult from doing that?
SPEAKER_03No, and here's why. You they tried, she didn't want it. So you can't stop her.
SPEAKER_04Right. She didn't want the help.
SPEAKER_03Right, right. She said, I'm an adult, I can make my own decisions, and that's that. And she's absolutely 100% correct right in that. Yeah. And and but that was the question that was raised prior by the rest of the family was how do should we and how do we interject to sort of save her from herself.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And the fact of the matter is, like I said, you can't. They made an effort and she was unreceptive to it, and that's where you have to go. Unless it's gonna cause her direct harm. Like I mean like some sort of physical harm. Right. Or to her person or her property or something like that. Her house was paid for. Right. You know what I mean? She inherited it from her it was in her family. Her house was paid for. She like had you know what I mean, like and she didn't have extravagance. So, like, yeah, expand expenditures. Like, she didn't have a car payment, you know what I mean? None of that stuff. So it's like her expenditures were what she had to spend money on, like her bills. Right. Like every month. Which she still got like social security or whatever. So it wasn't like she was going through money that she had from a settlement.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03A nest egg. Had it been that she was just given every penny that she had and couldn't even, it was gonna be, you know, shut her or water off, and it never got to anything like that. Like, I don't think that she would have allowed, like she would have given away all her extra money.
SPEAKER_05Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_03But not her living money.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04So I think it's like so she wasn't that crazy.
SPEAKER_03Which is why I'm but my point is though, is like people can do stuff like that. That's their God-given right as an American.
SPEAKER_04Agree, agree. And if and yeah But scammers only exist because there are people that are available to be taken advantage of.
SPEAKER_03Well, right, no, I agree with that, but like I said, we tried to like help her. We tried to make her see.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, I'm not she just throwing your family.
SPEAKER_03Oh no, I'm not saying no, I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_04I'm just saying, as an example, because I have this brilliant idea, which I'm not going to bring up here right now because I'm actually pitching at work, but it it's in that arena, like mental health. Like, how do we so the state of mental health? So and again, I'm not a c clinician and I don't have statistics yet, but I'll have them because I'm very passionate about this right now. I've been thinking about it a lot. But like so, we had asylums, but they weren't managed correctly, so we had to shut them down because people are fucking assholes, right?
SPEAKER_03We still have why we shut them down.
SPEAKER_04A lot of them got shut down because I'm gonna have to look more into it. I just follow me on the timeline here, because I'm not getting into the weeds with it yet. We will cover it later, especially if I get my way on this thing. So we had like asylums.
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SPEAKER_04We still have state hospitals, but people don't then like the whole push for psychiatry and psychology came along. And people started to get rights around their mental health, which means that you couldn't institutionalize them as easy, which is both a good and a bad thing. Because now there are people falling through the cracks who need to either be institutionalized or need some torp some type of companionship or like assisted living, like more group homes. Maybe it's not one big hospital, but more smaller clusters of like a house parent helping people together. You're always gonna have homeless, you're always gonna have drug people, right?
SPEAKER_03I think that raises a bigger question, though, is you take all that into consideration at the same time because it's gonna have to involve all those things because they all intertwine.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03So, like drug addicts, homelessness, mental instability, whatever you want to call it. And that's just one group of population that's already underserved, like that group of people. Then there's an entire other group that's really underserved because they're not even acknowledged, and that's these people that we're talking about here, like that this lady falls into. Right. That people that are not in a situation where they're like it's not a public problem because she's got a home, she's got a family, she's got you know what I'm saying? Like, she's not living on the street, she's not a nuisance to anyone else.
SPEAKER_04But those are a different set of services, and that's the part that I don't want to talk about.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's what I'm getting at, is this is all gonna be like encompassed, sort of like under the same umbrella, though, but it's important to make that distinction.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03Because I don't think, like to your point, they're not served by they don't have the same solution.
SPEAKER_04Correct.
SPEAKER_03Do you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04Like that's exactly it, and it's not this we always tend to overcorrect, right? So, like now, the mental health crisis, and I put it in air quotes, because now you've got a whole other population that's using it as a badge of honor. Hey, I've got a I've got a diagnosis. Like there's the diagnosis shoppers, right? That want a diagnosis, and those people have to be dealt with a very specific way, too.
SPEAKER_03Should be a diagnosis.
SPEAKER_04It's called malingering.
SPEAKER_03But I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04I don't know if it's diagnosable, but it's called malingering.
SPEAKER_03No, but I'm saying that, yeah, the people that want to like just have the thing, and it's like that that's what I'm saying. We have so many different groups here, and those people need help too, because they're annoying as shit. You know what I mean? Right. But maybe if we could help actually help these other people that need it, maybe these people would be a little less annoying.
SPEAKER_04Right. That's it. It's like instead of doing a big tidal wave of one big fix, you like do a ripple that ripples.
SPEAKER_03It goes back to my whole thing with like drug addicts and drug treatment in this country, because we use one blanket approach, it's the same problem.
SPEAKER_07Right.
SPEAKER_03We use one blanket approach for all these different nuanced things that don't require the same solution, yet we try the same solution.
SPEAKER_04Right, because that's the whole thing with mental health, is that they're thinking coming at it from a very scientific approach or a very whatever, whatever mental health is when they're factoring in the drugs and stuff, but it's the environmental factor that's actually contributing, right? The root cause of a lot of mental health issues or even perceived and why placebo effect happens is environment. Right. They don't even figure in how much the changes in somebody's environment actually are contributing to their well-being or not, right? So, anyways, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. So, to just put a couple periods on this segment, I'm not anti-seeing a therapist. I absolutely believe that people should talk it out, but find your person. There's some good therapists out there. There's a lot of for every one good therapist, there's probably seven really bad ones. I use Chat GBT for therapy, and it's great because I've actually gotten better at letting things go since I started using him.
SPEAKER_03I just also want to say that I also think that mental health is also a symptom of a problem of modern society.
SPEAKER_05Agree.
SPEAKER_03Because I think in the ancient world, when all you're worried about is what you're gonna eat next, I think there was a whole lot less mental health crises.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you're absolutely right. What does that say? Time is the devil's playground. Is that a saying?
SPEAKER_03It might be, but it's something like that. Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_04Something about idle hands.
SPEAKER_03Idle Hands is the devil's playground.
SPEAKER_04Something like that.
SPEAKER_03Something. The devil's always up to something in these things. You gotta watch him. He's a crafty some bitch.
SPEAKER_04The devil's a lie. The devil's a lie. But I'm just saying. So, alright, what do you got coming up?
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