D’Yinz have Deja Vu?

We bounce from comfort TV and celebrity chatter into the harder question of how anyone stays sane in a world built on sound bites, spin, and endless “truth” fragments. We argue our way through policy, platforms, and the Mandela effect, then land on a simple filter that saves us every time: trust and verify.

• Seinfeld vs Curb as a lesson in polish, tone, and why characters feel “real” 
• The dream of a customizable TV channel and why frictionless content matters 
• Pennsylvania recreational marijuana legalization, taxes, federal conflict, and privacy 
• Why conspiracies hook people fast, kernels of truth, and the five-minute rule 
• Candace Owens and Shawn Ryan as a case study in platforms and pushback 
• Why people act “weird” after chaos, and why that’s not proof 
• Fearmongering as an old tool with new tech, media incentives, and control 
• Influencer drama webs, motives, money, and why narratives travel 
• Mandela effects, Hadron Collider timeline theories, and a Berenstain Bears sync 
• AI limits, missing data, and why lived experience still matters 
• How we decide who to trust online, building a pattern, then verifying less

You can check out Scott December 11th at the Shippensburg Parks Casino opening for headliner Mark Riccadonna, follow Scott on Instagram, follow me on TikTok, and check gildedtrash.com for upcoming shows

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Cold Open And Welcome Back

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Lanterns, flicker, thunder roll, Scott and Crystal alone patrol. Back road twist, the moon hangs low. Sasquatch tracks where the rivers flow. Welcome back.

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No, I don't want to say we do that every time. We're gonna get copyright infringement if we keep using it.

SPEAKER_13 1:10

Well, that'll be the last time then. We're having beefy.

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I'm gonna start doing that instead.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

Well, so I was going back and listening to old episodes of the podcast, and I I was like, oh, we've you've sung that a couple times, right? No, it's been more than a couple times. It's been almost the opener of every episode since season two, at least.

SPEAKER_13 1:36

I don't know any other way to welcome people back. How you say it? I don't think it's copyrighted. I think it's actually past the time. It's from like a hundred years ago.

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It's not.

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It is not. So today, well, if you are listening to this, it is after July 15th when the roo episode releases. It will be season three, episode seven. Ooh, lucky number seven.

SPEAKER_13 2:05

It's after July 15th. We're in some sort of time warp.

SPEAKER_04 2:09

We are. Speaking of time warps, we're gonna get into that later. One of my absolute favorite subjects: glitches in the matrix, time jumping, the Mandela effect. And speaking of listening to old episodes, we've talked about this several times, but it keeps coming back.

SPEAKER_13 2:28

It keeps coming back around like all great conspiracies do. They do. That's the way it should be. Every time something happened, bam, people bring it back into the circle.

SPEAKER_04 2:37

But I have more information now. More information. I don't know if everybody else has new information. I don't think it's new information. I feel like it's information that a lot of people knew that I'm just catching up on. So we'll talk about it. What else happened in the last couple weeks, though?

SPEAKER_13 3:01

I think the biggest thing is that Lindsey Graham died.

SPEAKER_04 3:04

Yes. R.I.P. Lindsey Graham.

SPEAKER_13 3:07

And that is sadness that I will no longer get to. He was the first of the old white parted hair men to die this week. Sam Neill also died. It's not looking good for guys that are 60 to 70 something with parted hair.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

My brain's scanning the population, like who's left?

SPEAKER_13 3:32

I think Tom Ridge is going next.

SPEAKER_04 3:34

Stop it.

SPEAKER_13 3:37

No, I don't know any people. I don't know who else has parted hair like that. They both had it. It's like the same haircut.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

John Voight, but I think he's losing.

SPEAKER_13 3:46

Oh, he's way older. He's Voigt's fine. Voigt's fine.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

He's not in age.

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Just driving around in John Voigt's car.

SPEAKER_04 3:57

Oh, God. That's hilarious. That's a good episode. I love Seinfeld. I hated it at first. I don't like Jerry Seinfeld's voice in the middle of the night. And I didn't love it when we first got together. But as somebody who appreciates well-crafted comedy, I like it. What I hate about it are some of the ridiculous aspects of it, because I don't like ridiculous comedy.

SPEAKER_13 4:30

Well, I I don't think it's ridiculous. I think it it's real life situations.

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It amplifies the world.

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Because like real life I would beg that Larry David probably got himself in not exaggerated all of those situations.

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By virtue

Seinfeld Vs Curb Rules

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of being an assholster. No, I get it. I get it. Because I well, actually, when I watch Curb, I could see how those situations arise. I feel like Seinfeld is just like a more exaggerated.

SPEAKER_13 5:03

Seinfeld is just the tame version of Curb. It's like the what you would present to like it's like the cleaned up version of Curb. Curb, you get the full on ridiculousness of Larry David, like and how just interesting.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

Maybe that's why. Maybe because on Seinfeld it's polished for TV, so it seems cornier than it would be if it happened in real life. Like if this situation really happened. Right. And for whatever reason, the other thing is that George Costanza, what's his real name in real life? Jason Alexander. Jason Alexander. I love, love, love him as an actor. I cannot stand his character, George Costanza. I cannot stand it.

SPEAKER_13 5:48

You're not supposed to. Can't stand you Costanza.

SPEAKER_04 5:52

I can't.

SPEAKER_13 5:53

Did you ever see that episode?

SPEAKER_04 5:54

No.

SPEAKER_13 5:55

Because his where his old gym teacher calls him, can't stand you.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

That's great. I never even thought of that.

SPEAKER_13 6:01

But yeah, no, you're not supposed to like him. That's the difference between Curb and Seinfeld. George and Larry are the same character.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

Right.

SPEAKER_13 6:12

You know, like in the show, that's like based off Larry David. There's nothing endearing about George.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Right.

SPEAKER_13 6:20

But Larry is endearing and curb and curb. That's what the difference between Seinfeld and Kerbier enthusiasm is George is not, there's no redeeming. There's no redeeming.

SPEAKER_04 6:34

There's never an episode where I'm like, I like it. No, not one.

SPEAKER_13 6:38

Well, it's also purposely done that way. You know, Larry David had a very strict no lessons, no hugs. You can't learn anything, and there's no like it come you know what I mean? Right. There's no that was his rule for the Seinfeld because it there's no lessons to be learned here.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Right.

SPEAKER_13 6:56

There's no it's not like some shows, you know, where they like try to like whatever.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

Bring it back to him.

SPEAKER_13 7:03

And he didn't want any like touching moments. You know what I mean? Like he didn't want any of that.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

Well, there were none.

SPEAKER_13 7:09

Well, there wasn't supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Well, maybe the last episode.

SPEAKER_13 7:12

Even then, well, but Larry stopped being involved in season eight.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_13 7:17

I mean, I don't remember a lot about the last season, but I'm just saying, like, well, there's a big debate too as to whether or not so people argue, so Larry David's there seasons one through seven, seasons eight and nine, Larry's gone. So a lot of people, there's a like Seinfeld purist. You know what I mean? That are like once Larry goes, the shit But it's hard to argue that the last two seas that's the Yada yada episode. The but you do see the writing style change. But it there's like the Yada yada episode, there's like the you know, there's a bunch of like classic, I think classic episodes of in those last two seasons where it's just like one thing after another is just so good, but you see the difference between Larry being there and not.

SPEAKER_04 8:11

Right, and I don't know that lore, so now I'll be more observant of it. Like I'll pay more attention when I see it again. Because I mean, we go through phases of everything with TV where we'll watch reruns of a certain thing for a long time. We've talked about this before. My favorite reruns are all in the genre of somebody really smart being able to solve things.

SPEAKER_13 8:40

This brings me to my next great idea. You know, I have some great craft drug stores. I have great ideas. My next is a customizable app for TV where basically you make a channel so that way uh like a playlist, but you have access to all your different things because what I want to do is like I love, you know, like not having to think about and just turning it so I could just turn it to my channel, and I would like for it to have like a nightly nick at night line lineup, like two episodes of Seinfeld from eight to nine, two episodes of King of Queens from nine to ten, you know what I mean? And like have it and it would rotate, you let it know what you your lineup to be, and then it'll plug in the so

Dreaming Up A Custom TV Channel

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different episodes.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

Chappie just has been spamming me this week with there's a code agent now that writes code so that you can build apps, so you just need to build the app, right? But uh I mean You would have to create connections to TV services and I would rather just sell the idea to Comcast, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_13 9:51

And be like, take all the things you create, what's called the Comcast Custom Channel.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

Don't be selling your comfortable idea. Let's take that one the shark tank. But so what else? Hot off the presses as of so Lindsay Graham was hot off the presses, what, Sunday night and or Saturday night into Sunday? Tom Segura.

SPEAKER_13 10:17

Oh yeah, and Christina P are getting a divorce.

SPEAKER_04 10:19

Yeah, years of marriage and they're getting a divorce. I'm not gonna say I was surprised.

SPEAKER_13 10:28

Yeah, you see that all the time. She was a reality TV star. People either make it past that's like the dividing point. Once that happens, if you make it past that, then they're together, you're gonna be together forever. Well, it's like it, but once you get to that point, like that's a point that people are like, okay, here's a place we can take a clean break if we need to.

SPEAKER_04 10:47

Christina was a reality TV star, like she was on real, she was on road rolls or whatever, she was on reality TV, she was wild, she was she came up with the Ovon, right? And but comedy-wise,

Celebrity Headlines And Divorce Chatter

SPEAKER_04 11:04

like Tom surpassed her in comedy. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, it just it doesn't feel like they it felt like they had a creative partnership and spawned a cute few kids that are gonna be little assholes, by the way, in the middle of all that.

SPEAKER_13 11:22

I don't think they will be.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

If we've talked about this before, too. This is gonna be the episode deja vu. Um that's what I'm calling it.

SPEAKER_13 11:31

Yin's having de y Yin's got deja vu. Right, because it sounds like you're speaking yin something deje vu. Yin something deje vu.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

Well, because the I I don't know how they actually are interact with their kids, but if how they say they interact with their kids is any reflection of how they really do, it's their kids are entitled.

SPEAKER_13 11:59

Well, I mean, I'm sure they are. Most people that have money, their kids are.

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But regardless of any of that, anyway, now you're good.

SPEAKER_04 12:08

One of the hot topics this week is legalization. Of what? Marijuana.

SPEAKER_11 12:15

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:17

Recreational use in Pennsylvania specifically, for whatever reason. I think there's a lot of different factors, but one of them is like there was a Bedford instance of a Right, with a whole smoke shop.

SPEAKER_13 12:30

It's it's it all comes from this whole like hemp derived products, this whole like skirting of the existing farm bill, which is gonna change this year, but regardless of any of that. So that's all gonna come into play. But again, I think that's why the push for it now. Plus, you're getting into like election cycles and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

So Oh, right, right. But I don't think it's actually gonna be on the ballot for whatever's going on.

SPEAKER_13 12:54

Right. I don't think that we're ever gonna

Pennsylvania Marijuana Legalization Debate

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do it ballot-wise. I don't you know what I mean, where you would just vote like a referendum.

SPEAKER_04 13:01

Right.

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It'll be like a legislative. It'll be legislated.

SPEAKER_04 13:05

And it's exhausting.

SPEAKER_13 13:06

Yeah, that's the pain in the ass.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

Because like, so there different forums on the Book of Faces has been asking around about it, right? And I saw some really compelling arguments, and then I saw some like weird things. Like, so one of the arguments against was that it slows people's thought process down. That was just the sentence. That was it. He was like, no, because people it slows your thinking down.

SPEAKER_13 13:37

So does alcohol.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Right.

SPEAKER_13 13:40

I mean, do you know my opinion? I think all drugs should be legal. But and then not because it's like you when people want to go do them. I just think that's the best way to you know what I mean. We create these huge underground markets, and that's part of the problem with the whole weed thing, is because of the weird direction from the federal government and states over the last 15 to 20 years since we started to see. Right, like it's all out of sync right now, and it's not yeah, there's no alignment, and there's no uh you know what I mean, it's just a it's it's a mishmash of different things, and it's like it's and that goes, like I said, not just at a state level but the federal level. So it's like it's just it's created this these gray markets, right? So it's an e it's it it needs to be addressed. I mean, that's the bottom line.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Right, it does, but like when it's addressing that specific concern, I'm like, so I would have three patents by now instead of just one? I mean, I mean Where does it hurt?

SPEAKER_08 14:47

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

So an argument four that I saw, which I never really thought from this aspect, shout out to my cousin Rob because he's the one that pointed this one out. He was like, Have you ever worked on a construction site with somebody who's hungover from alcohol? Right. They're a liability and they're a bitch, right? I mean that yeah, in any field. In any field.

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Right.

SPEAKER_04 15:12

Somebody who's hungover from alcohol, which is legal to some degree, is definitely more of a liability. Alcohol hangover is a liability depending on what business you're in, right? The argument there would be everything in in balance, right? So don't drink too much alcohol and then you wouldn't get right.

SPEAKER_13 15:34

But I mean that that's in an ideal world. We don't write laws for an ideal world.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

Right, exactly. So, right, so then the liability of something first of all, you don't I'm not gonna argue with the people who say you do get a hangover.

SPEAKER_13 15:51

Right. Is we're not here to talk about the effects or anything like that. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Right, it's neither here nor there. Right. Like sp so then I thought about it from another angle, and I was like, okay, so there is an avenue in Pennsylvania, which is medical marijuana, right? But if I go to my doctor and tell my doctor that I have PTSD and we work it out, and my doctor agrees that I have PTSD, that forever stays between me and my doctor, and it does not become a mark on my resume, my background checks, my ability to whatever, right? Right. If I get a medical marijuana card because I have PTSD, I am now in a government system where I cannot own a firearm.

SPEAKER_13 16:46

Is that true? Because I think there was a lot of debunking around that.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

There was debunking around it, but there are also rules that still come into play where you could theoretically be flagged that align with the federal level, but not the state level. So again, out of sync between state and federal, but it could get you into hot water, right? So for me, being the sovereign citizen, no, I'm joking. I don't want my name on a registry for having PTSD. Well, first of all, I don't have that, right? Right. But let's say, for example, it's anxiety, which I do have, right? It's situational anxiety. That's nobody else's business because I work through it in the time, usually, right? I'm not a danger to other people. So in that case, now Pennsylvania is requiring you to be registered for something where uh most every other surrounding state is just treating it like going to the store to buy six pack.

SPEAKER_13 17:47

Well, yeah, for sure, with recreational, but even then you're giving your ID, it's going into a system, all those things still happen. It's it's just it really boils down to big brother and government overreach and you know what I mean, surveillance state.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

But so then I was like thinking about okay, well, so here's your four options, right? No matter where you live. But in Pennsylvania, it's a little more feasible, right? So no matter where you live in the country, the the federal law is always it right now is going to mismatch the state law. So that's always a consideration, right? So if you're a government contractor, for example, or somebody who gets P tested, right, you're it doesn't matter. You have to comply with federal law, right?

SPEAKER_05 18:33

Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

So then in the state that you live, if there's not recreational, you can get medical, which is pain in the ass. Right, if they have it, which is pain in the ass. And now you're like going through all this paperwork and hassle. You could become a caregiver for somebody who gets medical, which is easier, but then you're dipping into their thresholds. Like there's thresholds, they're not allowed to get more than a certain amount of states, right? And then really, you're technically not allowed to be the one using it, so you're still breaking a rule, right?

SPEAKER_12 19:11

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 19:13

Or you could go to one of the border states and buy it, but then you're risking transportation of it, right? But you're spending your money elsewhere in that case, which is what most people do. If you're in southern Pennsylvania, you're running to Maryland. If you're in Western Pennsylvania, you're running to Ohio. Right. The only place you can't run to is West Virginia. So at the end of the day, regardless of whether I agree with anybody doing any illegal air quote or legal with restrictions, substance in excess.

SPEAKER_13 19:58

It's how we got legalized gambling in all these states. Why is Pennsylvania dragging their ass on the it's the same, it's the same as when they legalized gambling. New Jersey had had it in place forever, and then it fall fell one by one by one, in the much in the same fashion, and it probably very close to the same lines as to who had, but because it's the same thing. It's about where's your tax revenue gonna go? Do you want it to continue to go to other states or do you want to keep it here in Pennsylvania?

SPEAKER_04 20:30

Exactly. That's the bottom line.

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That is the bottom line, and I think that that's the answer.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

And that's the bottom line.

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Because I said so.

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And that's the way the cookie crumbles.

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And that's the way the cookie crumbles.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

That's all I wanted to say on that subject. We can move on to the next subject then. You want a spot at the competition?

SPEAKER_13 20:52

Oh, yeah. So you'll be able to see me December 11th at the Shippensburg Parks Casino. To all our my listeners out that way. Parks Casino, December 11th. There'll be more information to come.

SPEAKER_05 21:07

Right.

SPEAKER_13 21:07

And then the following night I'll be out near Philadelphia, Glen side. But uh, that doesn't even matter. The important one is Parks Casino, December 11th.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

Opening for headliner, Mark Rickadonna.

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Mark Riccadonna. And that will be a uh great, great hell yes. That's gonna be a fun, it's gonna be such a fun time.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

But yeah, no, I mean home turf, man.

SPEAKER_13 21:32

It's yeah, that's what I'm excited about. A casino at my home turf. Yeah. That's just good

Comedy Gig Plug And Home Turf

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stuff.

SPEAKER_04 21:38

Right. And a show that we don't have to put any work into. You just have to be really good at stand up.

SPEAKER_13 21:45

Right. I just gotta stand up and do my thing. That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_04 21:49

Yeah, I'm real excited for you.

SPEAKER_13 21:51

That's the best uh, yeah. I mean, I couldn't be happier. I mean a casino in Shippensburg. It's like, like you said, it's like a home turf. It's like although you don't want too many people there that you know. That's what they say. Because then it's weird. Then you're just on comedy at like a family reunion.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Trust, there's gonna be enough people there you don't know.

SPEAKER_13 22:15

You know, we were talking about I'm no, I'm not gonna get into it because it was a side conversation. I was gonna go down a whole thing. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 22:22

No, okay. No, no, no. So last week or last episode, we talked about the bunny roll divorce.

SPEAKER_13 22:29

The bunny roll. That sounds like a delicious snack.

SPEAKER_04 22:33

I know. I love a bunny roll.

SPEAKER_13 22:35

It sounds like some sort of I bet it's got sprinkles and marshmallow and little chocolate things on it. And it's rolled up like a Swiss roll. But it's called a bunny roll. And they only make them at Easter, but it's just A Swiss roll that looks like a rabbit.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 22:50

Come on, Debbie.

SPEAKER_04 22:51

Come on, Debbie. Walmart does have those. They come with little plastic bunny ears. Yes, they do. It's a rolled up cake, and you can get chocolate white. Oh, though.

SPEAKER_13 23:02

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's big.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Oh, you just want to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_13 23:06

I want a little baby,

Little Debbie Bunny Roll Brainstorm

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little Debbie. I want a little Debbie.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

With peeps for ears. And things.

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Peeps for ears.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

Yeah, like bunny ears that make it out of marshmallow peeps.

SPEAKER_13 23:18

Oh, just the ears of the bunny peeps. And the butt and the butt and the and the tail.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

And the little tail. Those could be peeps.

SPEAKER_13 23:25

And you could put the same little smiley face that they do on the peep. You put that right on its pooper. No.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

But I'm saying this Swiss roll.

SPEAKER_13 23:41

No, you put it on the Swiss roll in their face, and it would have. Or you could just glue a peep. Like you could just. Here's the thing, little Debbie. Deb, we you and I go way back, Deb. We grew up together. And I know you're listening. I know you're a big listener. I see your Deb here. Just checking in. But Deb, if you're listening to me, we need. You might have to talk to Big Debbie on this one. Get the decision. She could Big Debbie calls the shots. Little Debbie runs a day-to-day, but Big Debbie calls the shots. And she's uh, yeah, she so talk to Big Deb.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

And uh Crazy and Debbie's usually the one with the ideas, but Scott's bringing one to the table today.

SPEAKER_13 24:27

Take her, yeah. I'm bringing one to the table today. Take her, take Big Deb out for bingo and introduce us to her slowly. Maybe take her out to Texas Roadhouse. Every woman named Deb loves Texas Roadhouse. Get me some of them rules, Scotty.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

Honey butter. Anyways, Debbie. So we have a wild crazy whiteboard of strings that may or may not connect. They kind of do. And I'll just preface this by saying that we're not, we while we indulge in conspiracy theories, we're not stupid. We're both logical, discerning people. We don't know what we don't know, right? Right. So that's just my little disclaimer into this because the grand theme is that by virtue of being a conspiracy theory. No, B C level famous, B level famous, bottom of the A list famous, these people are going to run into each other, right? Right. So I just want to lay that out as a preface as we start to talk about this, right? I don't even know where we want to

How We Consume Conspiracies

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start. Like which layer do we want to start at?

SPEAKER_13 25:50

Well, let's start by saying, too, is like with conspiracies. Like, you know, I love a good conspiracy. Here's the thing is I don't know anything. Period. Like, I don't ever, you know me, I'm not hardwired on any beliefs. Like, I don't have I like the moon landing. I don't know. You could talk me into it either way.

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Right.

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You know, I'm trying to think here.

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Flat Earth.

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Flat Earth, no. No. Right. I can't buy that.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

They almost had me talked into it one time, and then I got pulled back out of the deaths.

SPEAKER_13 26:28

Well, they uh no.

SPEAKER_04 27:23

Because science is science, and that's the thing, is like has science been found out to be wrong in the past? Sure. Yes, but not so far off.

SPEAKER_13 27:36

Well, here's the thing is the problem with flat earth is it delves into a very particular part of Christianity. It ties back to like so because then it gets into like the firmament and all this stuff about and this is all descriptions.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

It's a cool visual of that.

SPEAKER_13 27:58

It's like just these are descriptions from the Bible, though, or something, or somehow. I don't know. But I just know that it very it delves like into this very here's the thing is I just don't think that you have to you can still prescribe to a higher subscriber. Yeah, I don't think that I don't think that you can I don't think that being a Christian like disqualifies you from being a scientist. Because there's plenty of scientists, in particular Dr. Francis Collins, who is the guy the human genome guy we talked about him before.

SPEAKER_05 28:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 28:33

Like he lays it out, you know what I mean? Like you don't have to discredit science. You only the only way that you it doesn't like reconcile is if you believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

Right.

SPEAKER_13 28:46

Which I don't know why anyone would.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

Right, because like so just and let's say there's a middle ground somewhere, right?

SPEAKER_13 28:58

What do you mean? Between what?

SPEAKER_04 29:01

The Bible and the higher power. Like some omnipotent whatever it is, because we're gonna get to that. Like for me, I believe that there is something that's greater. I don't my articulation of that thing is not like a physical human entity, right?

SPEAKER_13 29:25

No, no, no, no, right, I get that.

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That thinks like we do or whatever. Do you see like right? But so regardless of all that, because it's not a theology conversation, but it will always circle around it for the these very reasons. But if I'm an author in biblical times, I don't have enough science to know whether the earth like I'm not even thinking in those. Right, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_13 29:54

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna get into the arguments of why people like but my butt the greater point of just that like science, you don't have if you believe just because you believe in the Bible doesn't mean that you have to disagree with science. That's it. But absolutely and and the thing, so like I said, once you just can rec then you can reconcile all of it, it doesn't matter. But back to the flat earth thing, like that's the thing with these conspiracy theories. Like, I'm all willing to buy you can sell me on moon landings, JFK, RFK, Charlie Kirk, this and that, anything and everything under the sun. You if it involves the government covering something up, somebody hot with money hiding something, doing nefarious things, I'm all in a hundred percent. Like, I'm all in on stuff like that. But when it's like the flat earth thing to me, or like somebody in our life doesn't believe in nuclear weapons. What? Like it's like and it's one of those things that it's like certain things I just can't get on board with. It's like too far out there for me.

SPEAKER_04 31:11

Like doesn't believe that nuclear weapons exist.

SPEAKER_13 31:14

Yeah. Oh you weren't we'll talk about it later. I'm not going down that, but I thought you were here for all that. But regardless of any of that, I'm just saying, but that's what I'm saying, though. Uh you immediately know on the surface that that makes zero sense.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

Right.

SPEAKER_13 31:31

It's kind of like me with the flat earth thing. It just doesn't make sense for everything that we know about everything.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

Right.

SPEAKER_13 31:37

Every other celestial body is circular. Why would ours be unique? And it I'm not getting into all that.

SPEAKER_04 31:44

Well, that's the one that I keep arriving at is that alone, like every other celestial body.

SPEAKER_13 31:50

Right. Like, but according to these people, a lot of that isn't even like real either. It's like but but you know what I'm saying. Like it just could that's what I'm saying. Things that on the surface can appear to be like you talk to a flat earther for five minutes, they make some great points. You talk to them for a half hour, you're like, this guy's full of shit.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Right.

SPEAKER_13 32:09

But so I'm saying on the surface it appears like there is some cr credibility to it, but then the further it's it's all smoke and mirrors.

SPEAKER_04 32:18

But that's really that's a really, really, really, really good point that we're going to arrive at several times in this episode, I believe, is exactly what you just said. Five minutes of anything is plausible, right? Five minutes of anything, and I'm like, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_13 32:37

You any documentary that we watch, they immediately have me from their vantage point. I mean, not everything, but you know what I mean. Like if it's just a bullshit story, like about whatever, I'm immediately on your side because you've already sold me in five minutes. It's once we start to get a further into the case of your innocence or whatever, right? As you start to peel back those layers, if to me, if it can hold up to that longer scrutiny, then you have something.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Right, exactly. Well, but here's the thing though, is look at how complex even the Gypsy Rose case was, and how much the documentary made you really mad on behalf of Gypsy and really sympathetic. And now, like the more you get to know about her and what all like the scores of evidence that pointed to she was complicit, she was not abused, they were scamming, Gypsy was a little fucking brat, like it all piles up to this. Like, I don't even know if I can feel bad for it.

SPEAKER_13 33:49

You start to see a bigger picture, and that's what I think anytime you have one of these, it doesn't just have to be cases, but that's what we see a lot of is like people proclaiming innocence or whatever, you know what I mean, in a crime. It doesn't have to be that, but we have there's a lot of really good examples of that. In particular, you think of like making a murder with Stephen Avery. Now, I know that the film has come under a lot of scrutiny. We watched the first like season or whatever, yeah. And it was okay, and like you, yeah, like you got me, but like they later I know that it came under a lot of scrutiny, like I said, because Again, the way that Netflix presented the game. Well, the filmmakers, it's not Netflix.

SPEAKER_04 34:31

Netflix lets you do whatever you want, but well, that's exactly the producers of the whatever, right?

SPEAKER_13 34:36

Right, yeah. So they Netflix just gives you a platform, which I will say that and people get on Netflix. No, Netflix gives presents all sides. If you want to watch this the kind

True Crime Narratives And Doubt

SPEAKER_13 34:49

of stuff, you can watch it. If you want to watch something else, you can they are very much into giving a platform to all things, whether you like it or not.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

Right, absolutely. And that's the first amendment.

SPEAKER_13 35:00

That's what a streamer should do. But regardless of any of that, but this they a lot of people criticize the Stephen Avery thing then after that, or you look at a trial like Adnan Syed. Where adnan scied. I said it weird. Adnan syed. Or is it like there's adn adnan sied now? I can't even say it. Adnan side.

SPEAKER_04 35:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 35:30

Adnan sciad.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 35:32

Yeah. It's very funny how that it can really trip you up there with those annunciations. And you know, like that's a great example of one where I think that you know me, a lot of times I like I'll always lean, I think as our judicial system should always err on the side of caution in that term. Like, I don't think if you have like I'm all you know me, I have a very advantage, you know, like adversarial relationship with the criminal justice system in this country, because of the way that it's like it there's no justice, but regardless of any of that, the point being of all that is that you know what I mean. Like, I'll rule on the side of caution on that, but the thing, that's the one case, like that I still if you it depends on which day you ask me. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 36:27

Really? Because there's no doubt in my mind that it was not him.

SPEAKER_13 36:31

See, I don't I some of the stuff there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't make sense though. Like why'd he lie about the car? Like, you know what I mean? There's a lot of really weird things that like he did, and that like I can't say for sure. I can't say beyond a reasonable doubt, either way. Right. I think that's very much and like I said, there's some days, and I lean towards, but here's my thing, though, is I would always fight for his innocence because you shouldn't be convicted if even I'm unsure. And other people after years and years of review, right? You know what I mean? Like it shouldn't be like there's I there's not the ev there's no evidence to me. Right, there's no evidence that he he did the crime, but how m how long did he end up doing in jail?

SPEAKER_04 37:20

30 years.

SPEAKER_13 37:21

Well, he did a lot, I think it was like 20 something.

SPEAKER_04 37:24

Right.

SPEAKER_13 37:25

So, like, in the grand scheme of things, even if he did do it, he I to me paid his time. Right. And I hate to say it, and people be like, oh, victim. We're this is the world that we live in.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

In Ireland, you only get seven years no matter what.

SPEAKER_13 37:38

This is the world that we live in.

SPEAKER_04 37:40

Anyways, that's not even what we're here to talk about. No, I know, right? But that's how it all piles on. So you were as used, bringing me the good stuff, right? I bring you actually, you brought me all the good stuff this week. You brought me Tom Segura. But you were watching Sean Ryan show and Candace Owens was on.

SPEAKER_13 38:06

Yeah. A lot of talk about that. And I think this is enough this sort of goes back to the five-minute thing. On the surface, Candace appears very reasonable.

SPEAKER_04 38:23

Right.

SPEAKER_13 38:24

I mean, like on this show, not usually. Usually to me, she comes off a little wild, but Right.

SPEAKER_04 38:29

Like on her clip.

SPEAKER_13 38:30

But I thought on Sean Ryan, well, first off, Sean Ryan doesn't push back. We already know this.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Right.

SPEAKER_13 38:35

On anybody. I'm not saying just her, not just her.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Well, speaking, it's another example of Netflix. He's giving lots of people that I I'm not sure should even have a voice, a platform, a long platform, but he also doesn't really dig and challenge or be like, really.

SPEAKER_13 38:53

But I also have no problem with it. I say I think that we need to hear all of it.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

Well, that's the thing, is that I want to hear I want somebody to be comfortable enough to keep talking. So it's cool that he doesn't push back, but I also think that there's a middle ground where he could like a little bit perhaps and just give somebody the outlet up front.

SPEAKER_13 39:17

I think the reason. I think the reason that he doesn't is as an interviewer, if he doesn't agree with you, I think he allows you to he gives you the rope to hang yourself. I mean, and I think that's the key, is because people like really open up to him, even people like

Candace Owens And Platform Power

SPEAKER_13 39:41

Hunter Biden, that he may not necessarily agree with, you know, politically or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

But But there's a like when I think about in my real life, you know, my brain works by giving examples. And I want to throw it out there, but it's also not probably the best example. But Carl, for example, when we first moved here and bought this house, I was anti-Trump. I was like coming out of being like really, really, really like probably going down a crazy path with being too woke to coming back to center, but I was still fucking hated Trump. And Carl, our neighbor, our neighbor, I can't say that Carl, our neighbor. So he like he's the character of a MAGA republican or whatever.

SPEAKER_13 40:45

He's yeah, a character is a good one. So he's from our and shout out Carl if you're listening.

SPEAKER_04 40:52

Yeah, hey Carl.

SPEAKER_13 40:54

I don't have nothing against you. She knows.

SPEAKER_04 40:56

No, I'm being I don't, but no, I know, but I think that's a good one. But that's the point I'm making though.

SPEAKER_07 41:01

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

So he's he's he's a I feel like he would have been friends with Alex Pete Keaton.

SPEAKER_13 41:13

Yeah, he's like he's from Family Ties, right?

SPEAKER_04 41:16

Do you know that analogy? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_13 41:18

He's a young Republican. Yeah. And he's always talking about Reagan and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

But I feel like that's who Carl was when he was a teenager.

SPEAKER_13 41:27

Yeah, very enthusiastic. I don't even know if that's a thing. I'm not gonna get in here.

SPEAKER_04 41:32

Right, but regardless of all that, he's just he's a he's he's the template republican. He's friends with Maricopa D.

SPEAKER_13 41:38

I don't even think he's the template Republican, though, but he's like you said, a character.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

He's a character of a template republican.

SPEAKER_13 41:47

There you go. Yeah. There you go. Mag clear that this is a he and like he's all the things that like you think, like you would say like a stereotype rolled into one.

SPEAKER_04 42:00

Exactly. However, because I l enjoy collecting people data, I was like, let's invite him to our parties. He owned a whole church, or he still does as of right now, owns a whole church right down the block from us. So we invited him up for picnics and we saw him out and about and karaoke and talked to him. And I actually enjoyed having conversations with him. So that's like the kind of thing that I was getting at is that in real life, we can be in the same room and listen to people that we know are fucking bullshitters, that we know are talking about things that we don't want to talk about, that we know have beliefs that we don't have.

SPEAKER_13 42:45

And then also that think things that are fundamentally wrong. I'm also not gonna argue with you about facts. I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? Like we're talking about the stealers. That's all I care about.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

Right, exactly. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_13 42:59

Like that's that's the thing, is people are no longer able to like overlook their differences. Again, and this is just it's all heightened because of the internet thing.

SPEAKER_05 43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 43:10

You know what I mean? Like it goes back to my joke about the whole voices thing. Right. Everybody needs a voice, yada yada yada. But great callback. They well, because I'm gonna use it. I was thinking about it. I've been working it in my head.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

I meant to yada yada yada, but anyways.

SPEAKER_13 43:32

Now I forget.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

Not everyone needs a voice.

SPEAKER_13 43:35

No, no, no, no, no, no. Before any of that, what were we even talking about?

SPEAKER_04 43:39

What we're bringing it around to is that Sean Ryan is soft in an interview. That's where we started ten minutes later.

SPEAKER_13 43:49

Right. But no, but that is a fair assessment, though. And I think that with a lot of these podcasters, and you know, I like the more in-depth ones where they really get into like other stuff. Sean Ryan is sort of like what I call like podcast 101. It's great long form. Well, on some things. Because he's not gonna give you a lot of pushback. Again, he's just gonna let you talk. And I you know I enjoy the show. I'm not knocking you.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

No, I absolutely love it because I've learned a lot on his show.

SPEAKER_13 44:22

And I'm not knocking it, it's whatever. He's that type of interviewer, it's just an assessment, it's not a peak.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

He's collecting information, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 44:31

And but I want to see the follow-up later. The point being, though, with Carl and with Candace Owens or whoever goes back to what we were just saying about the five-minute thing. You had me for five minutes, but under further scrutiny, does what you're saying hold water? And I think with and when you allow someone to weave their own tail and allow them to speak at their present their argument with really unopposed or unchallenged. So, but if you're somebody like me that holds up with and like I said, every great conspiracy theory. But I do think that they're I just think that they're on the wrong track, but regardless of any of that, you know what I'm saying? Like I like with the Charlie Kirk thing? Yeah, but I'm not going down with that.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

No, I do want to get there. I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 45:40

Because I it it very in depth with the things that I'm into right now, and I'm not fully versed because I feel it's still one of the things.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

Okay, but I want to touch on it high level because I got some.

SPEAKER_13 45:48

Well, high level, sure, but I don't want to deep dive it right now.

SPEAKER_04 45:53

No, I don't want to deep dive it ever, because we'll know when we know if we ever know.

SPEAKER_13 45:58

Well, we definitely won't know. You never know these things. That's part of the great conspiracy. Seriously, though, a great conspiracy is a great conspiracy because you never find out the answer.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

Right.

SPEAKER_13 46:10

You know what I'm saying? Like that's what makes it great, is that it's so great that you don't know. But can never know. But the point being, back to the Charlie Kirk thing, and back to the can't is like you take these nuggets of truth. We talked about this.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

Yes, and you take these been the fucking recurring theme of my life.

SPEAKER_13 46:29

You take these little kernels of things, and then they expound upon them, and that's why they sound reasonable, because they take pieces of the truth and they frame it in such a way as to fit their narrative.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_13 46:45

And I think that the true people, like the I think there's a large swath of the like podcasters and stuff that are looking into this that all have kind of the same idea, and I think that they all think the same sort of thing.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 47:09

I'm saying like that they think you know what I mean, they're able to she's an example of someone that takes it to the extreme. I'm saying there's a much different subsect of podcasters that if you want to get the what I feel to be the true information, that you can go out and seek that from them.

SPEAKER_04 47:27

Right.

SPEAKER_13 47:28

I'm saying there's a number of people that are doing good work.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_13 47:31

They just don't have the platform that Candace Owens has.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

You're absolutely right. And so which brings me to another thought that I had earlier while we were talking about something else on this, is that like who do you trust?

SPEAKER_13 47:55

Like, that's just it, is I think that you have to, and that's I'm still trying to find this guy's name because I want to like put it at because this guy, he's the one that's on the Andy Bustamante thing about Epstein. He's a super expert about it.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

Okay. Regardless, well, let's wrap this segment up and then we'll take a pause and okay.

SPEAKER_13 48:13

But you can find it.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

So focus.

SPEAKER_13 48:17

Yeah, I am. So, but what are we wrapping up here? The fact that the so but again, I think we were just talking about on the surface, the five-minute thing, Candace Owens, Nuggets of Truth, how conspiracy theory is woven with pieces of truth. That's what makes it able to be processed in a way that you're able to put it together in the conspiracy.

SPEAKER_04 48:43

Right. That's why it makes sense to a lot of people. And I hate that they're like, even so, my direct friend circle is like divided, but they're like, it's not even half and half. It's divided into like it's burst into like a brilliant sturst of different angles of a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And and so we'll get into that when we come back from our break, but it's it's impacting. So I was I got very political in 2024, and that whole camp of people that I feel like so I was in like a freshman class because we were the last kids coming on board right before the election. And there was like juniors and seniors in the political creator circle who were all like stars, and that team is starting to fall apart and go in different directions, and it feels weird. Like one is losing followers left and right and getting death wishes because he called Erica Kirk a bitch, but he also doesn't like Candace Owens, so it's not like he's buying into her conspiracies, he's just saying that that Erica's a player, and it looks weird that she's out there all polished and happy faced in the public eye right now.

SPEAKER_13 50:22

I'll say this. You know, I'm fully against arguments of people not acting correct or right or whatever. You know, I'm fully against arguments.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

We talk about it at least once every three episodes.

SPEAKER_13 50:37

Right, because it's very so people are, and there's and one I heard it on a podcast today, is that why is like the people are weird, man. They were talking about the text messages between Tyler Robinson and his, and they're like, who talks like that? Well and that's uh one of the things that people say that's like a thing that people will say is like who talks like that, or why would they do that? And to their uh to the ho's point, people do weird shit, and people aren't always thinking correctly, right? Like everybody trying to pick apart Charlie Kirk saying Shabbat Shalom, or everybody trying to pick apart the way that people acted after the shooting. Like people are like say, why did they do this? Why because people do weird things sometimes, especially when there's things going on, they're like, why didn't they call for this? How why? Because people don't react well and try go shoot somebody in the street and watch the chaos that ensues, right? And then ask me about uh try to ask people questions about it 20 minutes later.

SPEAKER_04 51:43

But like, so I may num I hate math, but I also love data and statistics. Statistically speaking, the variables in any situation where there is an environment, more than one person, etc., expounds exponentially because each person is so different. And when you layer in all the

Why People Don’t Act “Right”

SPEAKER_04 52:11

generational nuances of how kids act, that generation might not act like that, but kids that are like my kids' generations are two different generations, and they're both equally weird for different reasons.

SPEAKER_13 52:24

And the point also, too, that like it's easy to say, oh, put yourself in someone else. You can't not truly, you can try to think about how you would think about it or whatever, but like people are not like right, and not so many different levels of intelligence. You know this just from the conversations you have with people, right? Right, you know that not everybody is like all there. Well as what do they say? The mall's open, but ain't nobody shopping. There, oh yeah, there's there's so many people like that that you talk to that, like they're not even Well, so like there's so many examples this week.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

There was an example where a I showed you the video, there was a plane, a Cessna that wrecked into like a into a radio tower and it was just hanging there. Well, listening to the audio call, the pilot was really calm when he called it in, right? There was another one where the kid had just survived, literally survived the tornado. Like it threw him around his living room or his kitchen or whatever in a trailer home, but he got knocked around and survived. And he's like on camera, like, yo, I just survived this. And everybody's like, How the fuck? I want the level of Lexapro. No, y'all. Peep, first of all, a pilot is trained to stay calm. So a pilot calling in, hey, we're hanging in midair, we're about to crash.

SPEAKER_13 53:51

They're used to fly, most people can't even think about reacting and flying. That alone is too much of a scare. These people do this day in and day out. Right. They understand.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

Right. So until you actually can put yourself in that place and understand how that training is. Or, for example, the boy that got whipped around the room, like you're literally thankful you're alive, right?

SPEAKER_12 54:14

Right.

SPEAKER_04 54:14

So, in that case, like, I don't know how if I ever get in a situation where I'm near death and I'm thankful I'm alive, I'm probably gonna be pretty fucking calm.

SPEAKER_13 54:24

There's whole TV shows, uh, you know, like the thing with Dan Aykroyd and all, and or the unexpected episodes, the unexplained of people where like the guy that got struck by lightning nine times or whatever, like people there's no explanation for things sometimes of why the human body or why a person is able to do things that defy logic and reasoning.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

Right.

SPEAKER_13 54:49

There's just some things that happen that we can't explain.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

Right.

SPEAKER_13 54:53

And that's why they're so mysterious. Or you know what I mean? There's but what's interesting too is but we find out that the human body is an amazing thing, too. Like through what not just the mind, but like physically.

SPEAKER_04 55:06

Another example, that little toddler that was found unresponsive, yeah, pronounced dead, and yet the morgue found him a couple of years. Saved by the bell. Yeah, like it's insane.

SPEAKER_13 55:21

Did you know that's where the term came from? No. Saved by the bell?

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Oh, because they had the bell meeting.

SPEAKER_13 55:26

Because there was so many. Here's the thing is there actually wasn't the the funny thing about this, this is a great thing that I a little statistic I love to throw out there, is people think that saved by the bell, like I said, it means because what happens is that people would be buried alive, so they if they would, you know, happen to awaken their coffin, there's like a bell attached to the string, you could pull a bell and get the thing is is that there wasn't actually a huge thing, there wasn't a ton of examples of people being buried alive. What there was though was a widespread fear of being buried alive.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

Right.

SPEAKER_13 56:09

Because of a few examples.

SPEAKER_05 56:10

Right.

SPEAKER_13 56:11

So it wasn't like the data says that it wasn't happening like that. I mean, you know what I mean. Like it's that it wasn't happening like that, but their cells, but people were so afraid of that at that particular time for a variety of reasons that they would put these things in to, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 56:33

Fantastic. Let's pause there because I want to look something up real quickly. You can look your thing up. So I wanted to look it up real quick while we are on that topic. And like fear mongering has been around obviously since the dawn of time, because it's used in religion, right? But it it's also used, it was used in ancient war times.

SPEAKER_13 57:00

Oh my, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:02

Putting putting heads on stakes was part of putting instilling fear.

SPEAKER_13 57:06

First off, I want to say that I'm pro-Vlad the Impaler.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Right. I think I might be related to him.

SPEAKER_13 57:12

So Well, he's a national hero in Romania. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 57:16

Right.

SPEAKER_13 57:17

He was fighting the good Christian fight.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

It's more plausible that I'm related to Vlad the Impaler than it is I'm related to Rasputin, which my brother believes.

SPEAKER_13 57:26

But like how crazy is that though? But we'll do that on a different episode. Yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:30

Well I want to talk about ancient war and religion and all that in on an episode.

SPEAKER_11 57:36

Yeah, yeah. We'll get into like yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 57:39

That's fine. But fear mongering. But fear mongering itself.

SPEAKER_13 57:43

In modern times, especially, it's been well once it became part of the political thing. I mean, it's always been part of the political thing. Right. That's stupid for me to even say something like that because it's always been used for politics it's always been used for control.

SPEAKER_05 57:57

Right.

SPEAKER_13 57:58

Whether that be through religious means, political means, social means.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

But when you were saying saved by the bell, I'm sure there was an element of financial means in there. Everybody needs to add $10 for their little death toll bell.

SPEAKER_13 58:13

Oh, yeah, for your little death bell. Um it's always been, you know, people are always willing to get it.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

If you get buried alive and you're poor, too bad, so sad. You're staying there.

SPEAKER_13 58:22

You didn't they had a poor bell, I think. They had different levels of bell. If you were, if you had big money, I think it was just like a doorbell, you press a button. It's like ding-dong. And then if you were poor though, I think is when you got the string. You're like, you gotta, if you're alive, you gotta pull this string.

SPEAKER_04 58:40

So bringing it back to the Sean Ryan show and Candace Owens, so uh a lot of what she says is plausible and makes you think, right? And I can't I don't disagree with a lot of plausible on the surface. Plausible on the surface. It does cause you to ask questions, look deeper, right? Right. Here's where I start to diverge, right? Because multiple things can be true at the same time.

SPEAKER_12 59:13

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 59:15

Right now, the Tyler Robinson case is going on, and lots of people are like, yeah, he did it. Just based off of the trial alone, even if they were on the other side or on the fence, they were like, Yeah, this dude did it, right? DNA evidence. You talked about how he talked to his partner. Fucking kids are weird, man. They talk like that now.

SPEAKER_13 59:39

Well, here, let me just throw this out there because this is where I will bite. I don't think that there's any doubt that he's involved. The question becomes Is there a puppeteer?

SPEAKER_04 59:56

Right.

SPEAKER_13 59:58

Is there a are we looking at some kind of mind control thing? I know that sounds crazy, but uh the MK Ultra documents just came out too recently along with the UFO stuff. This is happened. Like MK like all those programs before and after, like, you don't think that they like just quit using some of these tactics? You don't think that they don't, you know what I mean? Like, and I can go down a hundred things, go watch the conspiracy show with Andy Bustamante, where they show how even hypnotism could pull off a political assassination.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:36

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:36

So, or you and you want to get into some old school conspiracy theories talking about Sur An Surian, RFK, the woman in the red dress, the multiple shots heard on the other recordings. Like, there's uh there's a lot of meat on that bone. You know what I mean? And that one I will buy. And the

Handlers, Motives, And Media Control

SPEAKER_13 1:00:59

thing is, is like we definitely know that our government has done some super shady, sneaky shit across the globe. And not just our government, other governments, as we we're not the only game in town when it comes to spy craft.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:16

Right, right.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:18

You know what I'm saying? Like it's you know what I mean? Like it's a big, it's been a big thing for a long time. Everybody's been always trying to, and so all this is going on, and so you those are the kind of questions I think need asked. You know what I mean? Not so much was he involved, obviously he was. Right. Obviously, he did it. Like, so I think that then the greater question then becomes, like I said, who's the puppeteer if he's not like brainwashed per se? Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:52

I mean who had motive.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:54

Like who was his handler? Right. A lot of people speculate that it was his roommate, but I'm not gonna get into all that. I don't know. But like that's one of the ways that these uh organizations operate. And Candace Owens goes down this whole thing with like you know, like the Jews and stuff, but I don't think it necessarily has to be related to any sort, you know what I mean? There's so many government, it could have been whoever, it could have been some rogue organization. Because I think that some of these groups are multinational, you know what I mean? Like I don't know what the word political climate changers is so well, like just groups that influence things and do things and pull strings and move uh you know things around. They say it all the time. Why does the government, like the CIA and stuff, get caught up like in these like drug scandals and stuff like this, or like arms smuggling? Right. Because all this shadowy secrecy operates in this underbelly of the world that those people are the ones that navigate it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:03

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:04

The spies are all using the same techniques and stuff that like the criminals use.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:12

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:12

That it that's exactly and then it becomes a question of who's the criminal.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

Who is the criminal?

SPEAKER_13 1:03:17

Who is the criminal, you know what I mean? So, but regardless of any of that, like that's how you could sell me on the Tyler Robinson thing being, you know, I'm willing to go there.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:29

Right. Like, well, and again, then it brings it around to who has motive, right? And that's where Candace leans into TPUSA and Erica herself, and that's where I'm saying, here's where I kind of diverge into one of those points on the star because there's a middle ground for me, right? Do I believe that Erica Kirk is a narcissist? Yes, I do. I do. So in that case, do I believe that she knewingly got into a relationship with Car Charlie Kirk, knowing that he's a volatile human being, so either way it works out for her. He lives, he continues to plug ahead with his legacy. They're making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. He dies, she gets to take charge, which she's a take charge kind of girl. And so either way, she gets what she wants.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:46

My counterpoint to that though, and we went over this the other day, what is TPUSA without Charlie Kirk? You know what I'm saying? How long yet to find out? Well, no, I would agree with that, but like how long, how big is their political dick swing gonna continue to be as big as it was?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:08

Right. And how so, and then there's an a lot of other factors into that. So it's a great question because there's so Trump has a low approval rating even among his own constituents right now. It's it's like 30-something per month.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:27

Yeah, nobody wants the war, everybody hates it. Yeah, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:30

So in that case, the next obvious candidate for the next election cycle is JD Vance, right? There's a lot of people that don't like him just by virtue of him associating or affiliating with Trump. Period.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:50

And there's a large swath of people that just don't like him because he's a weird little dude. He's not little, but I'm just saying, right.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:57

I like him. I I like I think he he interviews well. I think he looks weird when he's trolling.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:06

He says some weird things.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:07

That's all that's why I'm saying he does, definitely. He's like, but he's smart.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:11

No, I d I don't disagree with any of those statements. And I'm not like, I'm not like I don't dislike I'm 50-50 on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:19

Right. If there was a better here's the thing is if an independent candidate ever emerges To me, he's like every other vice president we ever had.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:28

They're vice presidents because they're not good enough to like act in as the regular guy. Right. And how many times is that true? 90% of the time, right? Right. Not forgetting, and I'm not talking like back in the day when it was like your vice president was like John Adams. I'm not talking about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

I'm talking about I mean it stopped being okay when senior.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:50

But I'm saying, well, no, no, I'm talking the it's for the last 120 years at least, 130 years. And so, like these I they're like they're all the Al Gores of the world, the JD Vance's, the Joe Biden's, the Joe Biden's, yeah, and some of them have gone on to be president, right? But who was the last great vice president? I mean, who was the last vice president that excelled at presidency? I'd have to go back through and think about it, but I'm just saying it if you go back through, it ain't looking good. Right. Vice presidents. Most of them, a lot of them have run for and lost even after coming off being. The vice president, out or right, you know what I'm saying? So it's like that's a whole other so obviously people that that's what I'm saying. There's something about there's a reason that they only end up ever being because you get picked by a team of people to be the vice president.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:57

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:57

Or one person.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:58

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:59

You don't get it's not like this is a public vote because they would never, and it's always somebody because it's what the vice presidency is.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:08

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:09

It's like basically more or less like an honorary position. I know that they have a role in the Senate and this and that. But I hear you. But what do they really do?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:20

I hear you. Which uh leads into my whole exact point, which is that somebody perhaps was trying to shake up the next election cycle. If Charlie Kirk were still around, JD Vance would have been a shoe-in. Because Charlie is able to rally the youth around something.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:43

Right, I I see what you're saying. Uh here's the other thing though that I think people keep forgetting too, is like because in all these things, like the most and I hate to say this because I don't want it to come off the wrong way because I love can the conspiracy angle. But the most likely scenario is that he was some crazy kid that in this crazy fucked up world we live in somehow got so radicalized that he decided to shoot somebody that he disagrees with. And as tragic as that is, right, it that's the sad reality in a lot of these situations is that it's something so simple.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:32

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:33

But yet it's not because you want to know what leads to things like that. All the things that we've talked about.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:39

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:40

The age of misinformation, the age of the internet, the fear-mongering.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:45

Five-minute sound bites that get you just the same thing.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:48

And it is across the aisle. It doesn't matter, it's all the media companies, it's left, it's right, it's center, it's all bullshit, it's all bad for you. And the thing is, is you have to find people that try to get you the truth. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:05

And uh but I'm starting to question even those people. But not now. Like if I go back in history and rewind to the 1950s or 60s, do you mean to tell me that even back then politicians weren't influencing what hit the air?

SPEAKER_13 1:10:23

Oh, a hundred percent. Oh, I don't disagree. So this whole people talk about fascism. It what fascism really is is like this conjoined like effort of like the the military industrial complex is what the fuck it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:40

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:10:41

You know what I'm saying? Like, right, and we've lived in I think the world has been under like this pseudo-fascist regime of this where they try to it's so so controlled. It's like this, it's the illusion of choice presented so, but really you're just under their control.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:09

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:10

You know what I mean? You're in this system, you can't escape it if you want to. And they have their eye on you, and they know what you do, they know every movie makes it.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:20

It's the illusion of freedom.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:22

It is the illusion. They give you choices about you can if there's 39 different fucking sub-toppings at Subway, yet we only get two choices for president.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:34

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:35

They're telling it's like a card trick, it's called a forced tri like pick. It's like when you're doing a card trick and you present somebody with like you know what I mean? You force them to make you it's not a magic trick, but you're forcing them to make a choice that you want them to make.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:52

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:53

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:54

Like And if they I've like I was watching when we were watching Oceans 8 the other night. That card trick where the three-card money. Yeah. If they pick one and it's right, then it's right. But if they are or whatever, you always pick up the other two. You always like reverse the decision somehow. Because I was watching somebody do cards the one time, and they were saying, pick this, right? And then they picked up it's that counting game where you can get back to the right exact card.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:32

It's all yeah, that's all card tricks are is like little memory tricks and like little like things that like little number games and shit like that. And but it's based off of mental sleight of hand.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:45

And but they take that to like a greater degree, but that's what I'm saying. Like it's it's all control. And I don't want to sound like the super tinfoil hacke. I mean, even though you know I really am. I mean, to even go on a rant like this, that the basically were like, I don't think you are though. No, I don't think it's crazy. To me, it seems like the most rational thing ever. Like, if you don't believe that you're being controlled, you're by everything around you, and you don't think that anything and like the people that truly like escape the system. Now, this goes especially for like our country, but I do believe that there's countries where like the technology isn't there yet, so they're not at but these are we're talking about in the middle of like Africa, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:30

We just read about that one off the coast of South Africa. There's like a tribe that's like protected, you can't even go within right, right.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:38

Yeah, but I'm saying like that that these people aren't like a victim to this, you know, of this thing that we live in, but we're all subject to it. Right. You can't escape it whether you want to, because you have to live.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:51

Right. That's exactly it. So then you make the conscious decision to accept it and just be like, I'm gonna make my life what I'm gonna make it.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:00

What I'm gonna make it, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:02

But then what so even the people that accept it and say that, then some of their morals and characteristics come into play because there are people who accept it and say, I'm gonna fucking pounce on every person and take advantage of everything and I'm gonna do me.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:19

I'm gonna look out for me, I'm gonna take advantage of every opportunity that's presented to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:25

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:25

Regardless of like its impact on those that around me. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:31

And and then you start taking in all kinds, it's just so which is why you cannot gauge somebody's reaction because there's so many different templates that you like you start there are archetypes of people, and then they divide down into templates of the archetypes, and then they go further in there, but then it's just like looking at a family tree a billion years back, it's so explosive.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:57

If you want to know how people about acting right after a murder, go watch every episode of Dateline Ever. Right. Where they've got and there's what 37 seasons of Dateline, and I would venture to say that like 75% of it is somebody that they like start off thinking did it, right? Didn't do it, and the cops say they weren't acting right, and it might not be the cops, it might be other people, but people are like, they weren't acting right, they did this.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:34

Remember that weird guy that his dad was missing, and they thought that he killed him and his dad wasn't even dead, he was just on vacation or something.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:46

And they were like, This guy wasn't acting like how of some a son should act if his father was dead, and they did all this stuff, and then it turned out his dad wasn't they were so convinced that he charged him with murder, and then turns out he was alive.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

His dad wasn't even dead.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:02

I mean that but that's what I'm saying. That but they were so convinced based off of his how he was acting, how he was acting, that he wasn't acting because he was like spending money and like doing all this stuff, and they were like, he's not acting right, he's not acting right. Is he acting like somebody whose dad just died? And they were like, no. And they ended up charging him with murder, and then turns out his dad was fucking alive.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:25

Right. On living his best.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:27

There's 37 seasons of that. We've heard it a thousand times, and I'll say this again, and I'm not knocking because I'm not knocking the cops because there is you see them, but it's like every I say it's all the time, it doesn't matter the profession, it's a majority don't know what they're doing, whether that's doctors, policemen, healthcare workers, the people we interact with these people, or McDonald's. Right. We interact with these people all on a daily basis, and you talk to them and you know who's on the level and who's not, and we see people, we are able to see things. Just look at the data of like medical mistakes or like lawyer mistakes or cops messing up to see you don't it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that like most things, there's yeah, of course, there's people that are good at their job, but there's equally amount of people that are that bad at their job. You know what I'm saying? Like if not more, right, right. More likely more, right in today's society, because we're or some there is some that are just like average that don't really fall one way or the other. They're not you know what I mean, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:48

They do their job, they don't do it more than expected or less.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:51

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:52

They just show up every day, they're reliable workers for that middle ground.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:57

Right. They're not gonna solve a big problem for you because it's not, but they'll get you through in a pinch when Susie calls off. When she can't get in because it snows, they're there. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:10

So, yeah, I don't want to go too much further down that rabbit hole, other than to say that there's still more strings to put on our whiteboard.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:22

Oh my goodness, creepy. So just a quick thing. If you want to get into Joly and Dory podcast, I highly recommend that if you want to not only find out the truth about lots, he does a very good job of digging. It's not just on the Charlie Kirk stuff, but like on Epstein. He's so good with the he knows so much about the Epstein stuff. Like Andy Bussamani had him on that conspiracy show. Nice, and he's just a podcaster, right? But he's just so well researched, right? That's crazy that he's like that, you know what I mean, considered like the expert because he's just that spent that amount of time digging into it.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:03

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:03

And I mean that says speaks volumes. If somebody puts that amount of time and he's smart and he asks questions, and he's very rational, right? Like in the way that he assess things and even his like his own bias or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

That is what I love about the modern podcast world is that us oddies and nerds have somewhere to like like back in Plato's time, they had forums, right? And we talked about chat rooms the other week. They were weird and creepy. It felt like it just felt like, but like this forum here feels cool. It feels like lots of nerds now have a voice that they didn't well.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:45

It's like you can just whatever you want to listen to, you can listen to it ad nauseum.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:49

There's so back to my way earlier point about how maybe because they're all kind of semi-celebrity, some are celebrity, that their paths are gonna cross anyways. But we talked about the bunny role breakup. And we talked about how

Finding Researchers Worth Trusting

SPEAKER_04 1:20:17

I saw Bunny in a different light now. Well, then after that, I don't know if I talked about this last week or the last episode, but I went down the Nicole Arbor rabbit hole of, and I'm not even gonna try to unpack that whole thing. But Nicole Arbor, again, is like if you listen to five minutes of her explaining herself, it doesn't sound plausible, but she put out some half-hour episodes on TikTok where you she told the whole story. Like, here's what happened at this block of time, here's where I was in my life, here's what happened in this block of time, here's where I was in my life. So then I was like, okay, maybe so. First of all, I found out that Jelly is just a complete dick face. Like, fucking spit in this girl's face, fucking pull guns on her, ran her out of several establishments that she was invited to appear at. So this is all widely documented. This is not her just right with you. So a lot of like really fucking dirty shit for, and I'm like, for what though? For what? Because him and Ryan Upcharch were that good of friends, like they were bros, right? Or like, what's the reason?

Bunny, Nicole Arbor, And Influencer Drama

SPEAKER_04 1:21:54

And then I was like thinking about it, and I was like, if my life had gone just as smidge differently, and my character wouldn't have developed into more of a better human being than I could have become. Would I have been able to influence you as somebody who loved me into doing some dirty shit to somebody for maybe no reason just by being hyperbolic? Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:42

100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:44

So, like me too.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:45

I'm down for some criminal.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

Right, exactly. So, what I think is happening is that Jelly Roll is starting to realize how easily he was manipulated by Bunny to just be a fucking dick bag to people when that's a little outside of his character.

SPEAKER_12 1:23:04

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:04

For him and his little thug rapper world, in his rapper world, it was cool, right? So now, yeah, country rap beef or beef rap. We'll never know. But so now, fast forward to it piles on. Bunny always has drama with somebody, and Jelly's trying to create an image for himself of whatever Jesus.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:32

Let's say it's not even about Jesus, it's just He's trying to a positive image, exactly, like a not a and I don't mean that like, but I mean like a wholesome image, I should say.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:45

Right, right.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:46

Like a man who's changed his ways.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:48

Exactly.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:49

For whatever reason.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:50

So that be religious or Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:53

I don't care what the reason is. If you're trying to do better, you're trying to do better, right? Does it change that he was fucking dick back in the past? No, he was a drug dealer, he was this, that, and the other.

SPEAKER_13 1:24:03

Well, but but but that the that's all his past is irrelevant in the terms of like Right, but that's being brought up by Nicole Arbor now. No, no, I get that.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:14

Because they're in the middle of lawsuits that are still going on today from shit that happened a couple years ago, right? Right. Well, so with Nicole Arbor, I'm kind of on the fence because it's that five-minute deep dive rule, like five-minute surface, a lot of it sounds good. When you deep dive it, more of the story sounds plausible, but it raises a lot more questions.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

Right, right. No, I'm with you. I'm totally with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:43

And I don't know because I wasn't there, and people that I'm cool with are part of that inner circle, and they bring up some very good points. Like Bunny's friends with Jesse Lawless, she's a fucking dick. She publicly boasted. I've seen the I've watched her in a live talk about, yeah, I beat that bitch's ass. She deserved it. She was having one of her crazy episodes, and I choked her up against the wall. Like Jesse Lawless is psycho, and Bunny has defended her for years. When Wade Wilson went to prison, Bunny thought he was sexy and wanted to interview him.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:27

Deadpool.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:29

The real Wade Wilson. The guy that was like had the tattoos all over his face.

SPEAKER_13 1:25:36

Oh, I know I know that guy you're talking about, but I didn't know it was his name.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:40

Yeah, so Bunny wanted to interview him.

SPEAKER_13 1:25:43

Was that his real name? Isn't that the guy from Deadpool? Isn't that Deadpool?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 1:25:47

Wade Wilson. I might be terribly. I you know, I don't know anything about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:52

I mean, he looks like a character, a villain on Deadpool, maybe. Maybe that's why.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:58

What was his name Wade on? I can't remember, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:01

I don't know what Deadpool's real name is. I don't we don't we don't support Ryan Reynolds in this house.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:09

Yeah. That's Deadpool's name.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:13

Is there also a Schmerder named Wade Wilson?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:16

Yeah. Okay. They call him the Deadpool.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:20

No, they don't.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:23

No, they do. It's literally what they call him. I just messed up saying I said Deadpool. Deadpool.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:31

They call him the Deadpool killer. They probably call him that because his name is Wade Wilson. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:38

Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:40

So there you have it here, folks.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:41

We sold the case. How does this all intersect, though? Well, because I liked Bunny on the surface, and now that I've gotten to know more and more and more about her, I think that she's just a serial shitster. And she's dramatic and overly victimized. Like since the breakup, she's um she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized almost. Almost.

SPEAKER_13 1:27:08

Almost. Enough to talk about it though, but just not enough to get there. I just I can't fucking enough to actually get hospitalized, but just enough to talk about it. Just enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:23

I can't, like I can't with these people, but the reason why I'm bringing all this up is because Nicole Arbor was in the same circle with Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

During all those things.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:36

During that whole thing where all that was going down. So you have been like, babe, Candace Owens is on Sean Ryan. And we started watching it, and I never finished it. But the next day I was going down the Nicole Arbor rabbit hole, and I was like, oh shit. So here's this connection. So while that was all going on, Candace and Nicole were like frenemies. And Nicole's side of the story is that Candace did not want Nicole having her own show and threw a big fit about it. So they allowed her to be on the first episode of whatever her Candace and Ben were on. I don't know if it was the Daily Wire show or what it was, but it was something in that realm. And so they disagree, Nicole disagreed with Candace about something on the show while they were airing. And it wasn't like live, it was like delayed live or whatever. And so Candace started digging into her and saying that she was making false accusations about being raped on the while they were recording this. So Nicole was like, I'm not responding to this, I'm just gonna leave. And she wanted to leave, and they were like something like you have to make it, you have we need something, so you're gonna have to storm out so we can air that. Well, then I they never aired the whole piece of the thing.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:12

Like a waiver.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:13

So how this connects to Bunny though is because then there were things that Candace was repeating that like verbatim that Bunny said live on her after hours, like lives on YouTube or whatever, talking about Nicole and the whole situation and like defaming Nicole. And Nicole says that she has proof from somebody that Candace was paid like $10,000 by Bunny to do that. So that's the length that Bunny goes to like defame people, right? Whether or not that's true, other people have said that she's other people have said that.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:00

That's what they're saying. Bunny inspires. That's what I've heard.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:05

Why are you just joking about it?

SPEAKER_13 1:30:08

I'm not joking. No, that's what I'm saying. That's everything that I've heard.

unknown 1:30:14

It's very serious.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:17

Oh, something else that I learned in that little tidbit of going down that rabbit hole of Bunny and Nicole is have you ever heard of this girl called Suede Brooks? Why do I know that name? Because I asked you the other day.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:36

Yeah, that's where I did hear it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:38

So listen, this is a whole other video.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:40

Yeah, right. Tell me about it again.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:43

So Bunny was caught 4th of July weekend making out with Dylan Wolf, who's on this show, Calabasas Confidential.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:51

Okay. Which airs on.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:53

I don't even think it's airing anymore.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:56

I don't know. It airs on nothing.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:58

It was a show that's no longer on.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:00

These are great. Big time star.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:03

But you know, it was a reality thing or about that.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:05

No, I'm with you, but yeah, I got it.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:07

Suede Brooks was on this reality show. With this guy. They were like, Suede, you're boring. And she's like, okay, well, then I'm just gonna like flirt with Dylan on the show to like create a storyline. So, but it became like a beef because her friend Gemma on the show also liked him, maybe. I don't know. You know how reality shows go. I didn't deep dive that because it does not look like people that I want to watch for a reality show. Right, right. I mean, they're pretty and they're way younger, and that oddly.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:42

They're like every other show, like name a reality show that isn't. Exactly. It's it's yeah, I'm with anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:50

So, long story short, there was like so Suede and Dylan allegedly hooked up on the show, right? Well, Bunny was seen making out with him in July. June, she had Suede Brooks on her podcast talking about Dylan. And Bunny was like lily, like, really asked her, like, did you guys hook up?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

Oh, like she was like trying to like get information.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:24

It was hindsight, it's gross, it's cringe, it's weird. Because first of all, Bunny, you're like fucking 60 years old, hooking up with a no, I don't know how old she is.

SPEAKER_13 1:32:35

She's 40.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:38

I mean I'm older than you, but not it wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_13 1:32:41

No, but look at Cher, she's hooked up with some.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:44

No, I get it, but I just I see Bunny in such a different light that she's ugly too.

SPEAKER_13 1:32:52

I agree that it's weird. I'm not gonna I'm just offering.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:55

And Dylan Wolf is pretty younger than all my kids.

SPEAKER_13 1:32:59

But it's well, not all of them, but it's it's like I'd say that the range for women older women to younger men is smaller than the range for older men to younger women for it to be weird. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:19

No, I know, but like I think what makes it weird for me is that Bunny sexualizes everything. No, I can't. And I think that's cringy.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:26

No, I'm not knocking that it's not weird. Because she's like what? How old?

SPEAKER_08 1:33:30

I I don't know how old she is. Take a guess. 50? No, she's younger than me. Uh 45.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:39

I don't know, like 37, maybe.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:41

Oh. And how old is she? No, she's older than that. Because I was gonna say if he's like 26 or 7 or something, that's not that big of a let me ask my AI just then.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:50

How old is Bunny XO and how old is Dylan Wool?

SPEAKER_13 1:33:55

I thought it was much drag more drastic than I thought at first. Unless he's real young.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:02

Oh, she's 46 and he's 29. Oh, that's not really no, it's not too bad.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:08

But I thought if he had been younger, I would be.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:12

But anyways, regardless of all that, it was just like I said, hindsight, it was cringy. Bunny took the episode down, but it's not because they she was being a weirdo. It's because Suede had talked about Drake because she dated Drake for a minute. And so she had talked about Drake the rapper. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:31

And so they like had I don't know by date for a minute, does it mean fucked them with a bus?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:38

I don't know. Like, I don't know what any of that means because I don't keep up with the kids' sex lives.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:43

Well, no, I'm just I'm just being stupid. But so I'm just basing that purely off of Drake lyrics.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:49

Long story short, though, I kind of like Suede Brooks. She's really cute. And out of all of that, I got some juicy details that she may or may not be dating Theo Vaughn.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:03

Oh yeah, I do remember you telling me about that. I care about.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:06

Now. Now also the same age difference.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:10

Nothing.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:11

She's like 25 and he's like 46.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:13

Well, it's Theo, so I don't care regarding.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:15

Exactly. He's a kidara.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:17

But you just said something there. I wanted to tell you this. You said, long story short, right? I'm gonna start saying, because this is how I talk, short story long.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:30

And then really get into it. Because you know how I do. Do you know what I mean? Like somebody like short story long. Uh I was six and I was sitting on my parents' boards.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:46

And so 35 years later, that's how I ended up sobbing.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:56

It would be hilarious because now I'm just pictured like two hours later. It's like and so what was that saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:06

Anyways, anyways, I just thought that was a cool little sidetrack down learning about that. I it's not confirmed, but there's a lot of speculation that that's who she's talking about. And I don't know, she's cool, he's cool, he needs somebody, she needs somebody to do the reason this episode is about kind of deja vu is because we've talked about all this before. I've said the same exact thing at the beginning of this segment. I just found out that the Hadron Collider was turned off in June, the end of June. And since then, things that I thought were Mandela effects are now resurfacing, and I'm like, now I'm re-remembering, misremembering, remembering something that I didn't remember. And they're saying that it's because they that thing the god darn it.

SPEAKER_13 1:37:38

Well, I mean, I've read a lot of things about that LHC. That's yeah. And so the but basically, I mean, I don't think there's much to it, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:52

I'm gonna convince you otherwise. Okay. Because of what I've learned this week doing my show.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:59

It's just kind of like the what was the show with Osborne's? The Osborne's want to believe.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:06

You want to believe this. Um listen to it. And I'm gonna take you on a crazy ride here.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:11

Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:11

And I'm gonna try to do it in 20 minutes or less, but I don't think I can.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:17

So here we go. When did the the Hadron collateral first start running? It was that's when this first set of Mandela effects started surfacing around town.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:31

And when did the Mandela effect come about?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:33

Well, so you are getting arriving to the same conclusion that I was like, if it didn't start until 2010,

Hadron Collider And Mandela Effect Theory

SPEAKER_04 1:38:46

when did Mandela effects start surfacing? Well, they started surfacing sometime around the 90s. But the actual Mandela effects themselves don't go back very much earlier than the late 70s, early 80s.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:05

Well, I think that's just because the those are like the things that are in the collective conscious of people that are alive on earth now remember and talk about.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:18

Okay, that could be true, or or hear me out. Okay. So right around the same time as the earliest Mandela effect memory or whatever, is when there was a lot of nuclear activity.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:40

Listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:42

So the theory among some is that there was a nuclear event that kicked us into a different timeline.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:53

I'm guessing these aren't the same people that don't believe in nuclear weapons.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:57

No, they they believe. So, so in that case, I was trying to reconcile that in my brain, and I was trying to think of it like programming, right? And not even assuming that we're sim, not even going that far an assumption, just saying that assuming that the universe itself just operates on code at the most granular level, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:40:26

Speaking of the Sean Ryan podcast, yeah. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm familiar with a little bit with a guy that's on there that talks about basically through like a it's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:38

Just go watch it. It's about finding code like in the universe, basically.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:42

Yeah, exactly. And I and I believe that because that's how I kind of think about everything is like in code.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:48

Well, they found it through like an Apple Vision thing on DMT. So it was like a laser refractive yeah, some kind of something and uh microscope or something. Yeah, something crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:03

But so if I have an analytic, if I have a program that's running and I want to lift and shift it. But it gets knocked. Like, so a lift and shift is gent gently placing something. But if the code if some of the code gets dropped in the shift or something happens, then you've gotta rebuild the code in that shift, then the probability of altering something small is high. It I see it every day in real life.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:52

What is something I was gonna say?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:58

So in that case, that's where the butterfly effect comes in because once you break a code for any reason and try to patch it in a new environment, there's going to be a downstream impact somewhere. And most more often than not, it's minuscule or maybe happens behind the scenes, so that most people don't notice the discrepancy. But there are times where either people are pattern notices by nature, so they're gonna pick up every discrepancy or like you talk about a glitch in the matrix. Yeah, that's exactly what it's the same, it's a similar concept, but apply with a different analogy.

SPEAKER_13 1:42:43

Well, I think that I think of like what you're saying, though, is like the people like when they're sitting there staring at the screens and they're like there's they're just looking at the code, but they just recognize the pattern of like whatever the machines are getting ready to do because they see it in the code.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:59

Right, right. That's exactly it. Yeah. So that was my theory on that, and then I was like, well, so then that exp it's like it's almost like a multi, it's like a multifaceted theory because it encompasses a lot of it.

SPEAKER_13 1:43:18

I understand this, and this is not the first time that I've heard not this exact you know, thing, but very, very similar, you know what I mean? And it makes sense, again, it's one of those things. Now does it stand up to scientific scrutiny? Like, in terms of like I understand like what we're like, but can the people like can it be explained to me? Can it be explained to other scientific people why that's not the case? Like the people that would really understand the complex, like technical part of that to see if that's like something that the Haldron Collider could actually make happen, if that's even a plausibility.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:06

It's the perpetual argument that Choppy and I get into. Okay. Because he gets into the laws of probability. And no matter how much you argue with me, the Chat JPT, I don't care if you're using Grok or ChatGPT or Gemini or any of those, those products are limited. There may be another version of it off somewhere else that has access to scientific databases that we don't have access to, secret files that we don't have access to.

SPEAKER_12 1:44:42

Right, but the right, right.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:43

But to the everyday person, the answer coming from your AI assistant is limited by two things. One is it does not have human experience, it's on the verge of collecting a lot of human experience because people use their AI to discuss human experience. The more that it hears people discuss it, the more it can statistically guess the outcomes or steer you in a direction or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:14

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:14

That's gonna get exponentially more as AI understands humanity and how we think the more we share with AI how we think and something that's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:24

But it's the more you train it, like it's obviously just gonna get exponentially better.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:29

But it does it'll never matter because of two reasons. The people who are real manipulative who secretive off the grid, all that information is missing from AI. It's all missing. They're the neos of the matrix, right? AI is not gonna

Why AI Can’t Replace Lived Experience

SPEAKER_04 1:45:58

get that based off of nuance and how we describe it, it never will. Right. I've argued human experience with Chappie more than I've argued anything else with that app, because I'm like, you're not here, you don't understand. My experience is what I see, and if my experience, if my experience after having lived, we'll say 35 years, we'll leave off the first 15, after having lived 35 years in multiple places, living doing multiple types of jobs, multiple locations, whatever, the common themes are the common themes. And Chappie refuses to accept it because the common themes that are displayed to the public are separated into two training modules to Chappie. Training module one is this is what the government and the media is publishing about said subject, which is always whitewashed. Even data statistics, they're always whitewashed, no matter who's publishing them. And then the other thing that it's trained to understand is that humans don't know what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:23

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:23

I mean, so in being trained that way, there are going to be for advanced thinkers, we're all like, you're fucking wrong. Every single one of us.

SPEAKER_13 1:47:34

Well, I yeah, and I get all that. But I mean, I I mean I don't have a stake in it. I don't care. I well like I'm saying, like, as far as people like saying like one thing or the other about like where we're you know, like headed with AI, it doesn't matter we're right, we're going to be going there regardless, so it is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:56

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:47:56

And we're all gonna be on this ride together, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:00

And then that layers in the the discussion about whether or not the alien beings or whatever are going to prevent us from doing that before it happens.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:12

Nah, I don't believe any of that, but I want to go back to your the Mandela effect.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:18

Yeah. So thank you for that because I have a real key point. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:23

Well, you go ahead with it then, because I want to hear I was like so far not totally convinced. I mean, I it's a is it a plausible theory? Sure. And I'll buy it, but I would need to see some things.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:40

Well, one of the big ones now that everybody is.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:42

But I want to I want to continue to hear what you've got.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:45

I need to go back and dig through the old episodes to see what I said the last time because that's the proof, unless somehow my recordings got changed too. But Chick-fil-A.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:55

What about it?

SPEAKER_04 1:48:58

So it's C-H-I-C-K-Fill dash A, right? In other timelines, it's been C-H-I-K. Some people were saying in their timeline it was C-H-I-C. That's Chic filet. Nobody's calling it Chic Filet.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:24

Well, no, not a Chick-fil-A, they're not.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:29

So so that's one of them that they're trying to say. Second of all, the cornucopia that allegedly wasn't on Fruit of the Loom's is allegedly back.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:39

Back where though? Right. Where? On the Fruit of the Loom website? Right. Because if it no, it's not. I promise you it's not, because they've shut this rumor down a long time ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:51

The big one.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:53

The big one, the bear insane bears.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:55

No.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:58

What?

SPEAKER_06 1:49:59

What? What's so funny?

SPEAKER_10 1:50:04

What's the big one?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:06

I can't.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:07

The big boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:08

I'm going to hell. No, I was gonna say Mandela's back to life.

unknown 1:50:15

What?

SPEAKER_10 1:50:17

Mandela's back to life. That's the new one. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:22

He's alive. He never died. He never died. No.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:28

That is, you are going to hell for that. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:31

I am I am.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:33

I have some Nelson Mandela

Berenstain Bears And A Weird Sync

SPEAKER_13 1:50:34

conspiracy theories of my own, but I'm not gonna go down there. I think they're a little too extreme.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:40

No, but with the Baron, that's what so that's gonna be the one for me. If it comes back out and it's Baron Stein, S-T-E-S-I.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:50

At this point, I don't even remember what it was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:53

It's stain. Right now it's stain, barren stain.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:57

A-I-N.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:58

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:59

But most of us who remember E-I-N. Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:51:02

Okay. That's what I remember.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:05

Exactly. So if that one goes back to E-I-N, then then you then you'll get me. I'll know that the Hadron Collider turning all the Baron Stain bears. But so while I was literally talking to Chappie about this, right, the TV was playing in the background, the closer was on, and the captions were on because I was doing multiple things, right? And I'm spelling to Chappie. I'm going B-E-R-E-N-S-T-E-I-N Barenstein. And I asked my teacher how to pronounce it because I didn't know if it was Berenstein or Berenstein. And my girl on the closer across the caption said, Hello, Mr. Berenstein.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:59

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:00

I swear on a Bible and my son's grave, that's exactly what happened in real time.

SPEAKER_11 1:52:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:08

In real time, that's what happened.

SPEAKER_11 1:52:10

That's a pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:11

To the point where I said, while I was in the middle of diatrabbing to Chappie, I was like, oh, and holy fuck, this just happened on the TV. So it's captured in the conversation I was having.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:22

So what you're saying is we are living in a simulation. I buy it all now. How drum clutter, Mandela effect, simulation.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:29

Bringing it around.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:31

It's how many times happened. So that's a very specific reference.

SPEAKER_11 1:52:40

What were we talking about?

SPEAKER_13 1:52:42

Remember on TV? Very specific.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:45

Right, because the often just like this.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:47

Often it's one thing if it's a common word.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:50

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:51

You say, hey, beautiful, and they say, hey, beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:54

Right. Or you just did it today with like something. I don't even know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_13 1:53:00

Yeah, something dumb. But when you say something real off the wall, like Baron's St. Bear, that's not a reference that you most people make in a week, let alone a month or a year. Right. How many times do you talk about the Barons? We talk about it and we don't talk about it that often. We've said Baron St. Bears more right now in this last two minutes than we've said for a year.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:26

Right. But we have talked about it every single year since we started the podcast.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:32

Well, because we always talk about the Mandela effect.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:34

We do because deja vu, it keeps coming back around, man. It's coming back around.

SPEAKER_13 1:53:40

But yeah, but for that to come up, but there was one the other day that we were talking about something very specific. I said it, and then they immediately like it said something about it on TV. I don't remember what it was.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:00

No, I rem well, I figured that.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:03

So I thought you were getting ready to Yeah, so I want to kind of wrap it up. But I'm trying to figure out how to kind of weave it all together because it's all very thematic.

SPEAKER_13 1:54:16

Well, I got it right here. We name off cons we go back and forth with conspiracies and then you talk about where you stand on it.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:23

No.

SPEAKER_13 1:54:23

Just real quick, rapid fire. Why?

SPEAKER_08 1:54:26

I don't want to do that. I don't need most people knowing where I stand on some of these things.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:32

No, I'm joking. No, because there was a couple other pieces woven into it as far as like thematic, like how to pull the theme together.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:45

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:47

Because sorry. You look like you're in pain right now.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:54

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:57

So one of the other things that came out of the Candace Owens episode with Sean Ryan that blew my mind was the whole Sigmund Freud thing.

SPEAKER_11 1:55:07

Okay. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:08

But the way that I described it to Chappie, I said gaslighting, and he was like, or I said he invented gaslighting, and he was like, that's not what really happened.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:18

Well, right, and it's a stretch, and even that with the book that she talks about.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:23

It does make some assumptions. I mean, it does go in, like, on that whole thing, like I talked about, saying, you know, like that he disagreed basically with this. But she makes some leaps.

unknown 1:55:36

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:36

And I mean, now I haven't read the book, but from the what I could read from the summaries, it the book didn't go down that rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:43

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:44

Like that basic, you know what I mean? Like this. She took it like a step further.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:49

Or two. Or three. Or four. Right, right.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:53

But I'm just saying, like, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:58

Right. And that's where you like if you go and start, like, again, on the surface, everything she says makes sense.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:07

And that guy did write a book, and it did say this stuff, and it did say, but like there wasn't the greater turn of phrase changes the changes the whole nuance of what she's saying about this thing that I felt, just based on the summaries and stuff that I could read, misrepresented what the book was actually about.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:29

Right. She's very crafty at using words that are going to click in your mind and be like, okay,

Freud Claims And Word Tricks

SPEAKER_04 1:56:36

that's feasible. But if you take the time to double check it, then you're like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:43

Right. Like you're like, eh.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:46

So then I was like tr like in in trying to like figure out how to close out this episode because there we we lightly scratch the surface on so many things, but they all intertwine, right?

SPEAKER_13 1:57:02

I thought we did some of it felt like we got a little deep dive.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:06

Oh, we did.

SPEAKER_13 1:57:07

With Charlie Kirk and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:08

Yeah. Yeah. We so like I'm dug in. And and it brings all of this these people home, but I have to ask the question. Do you think that people who are considered like trolls or clickbaiters are above average intelligence. Like the trolls slash clickbaiters. So we're talking about like so bunny.

SPEAKER_13 1:57:50

Well that's why I wanted to hear you say that phrase again because I want to make sure like I'm thinking of the right card.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:55

So we're talking about Bunny, Candace Ellen, Nicole Arbor.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:00

All the people that are full of like like you said, always pushing like a drama narrative, and like you said, clickbait, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:09

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:09

Do I think that they're of above average intellect? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:17

Yeah, I don't either.

SPEAKER_11 1:58:19

I would say that they people trust them.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:23

People, so the we asked the question earlier. Like, how do you know who you trust?

SPEAKER_07 1:58:29

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:30

They're uh people want somebody to give them their information, no matter what kind of what whether they're seeking drama and tea, or whether they're seeking, you know, ways to lose weight or ways to do your makeup, or the actual national news, people want it in sound bites, they want it summarized by people they trust.

SPEAKER_11 1:58:50

So, like it's so funny that you say it like that way, but that's a sad reality of it. But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:57

I mean, that's exactly it. So

Trust And Verify In Real Life

SPEAKER_04 1:58:59

then who do you trust? So then, like, you s you could start to go down the path of trusting these people, right? But then you realize, then you realize if you take a step back and say what's their motive. All of these people grew up in the age of to your earliest point, being able to talk to whoever will listen without having to answer back to them about any disagreements, disengagements, whatever. Now that we have like more live stream interactions, it's going to get to the point where you're going to see who's scripted and who's real.

SPEAKER_13 1:59:45

Well, and I think the to me, the only way to see through all of this, and I want to throw this out there, because we're asking how do you discern truth?

SPEAKER_05 1:59:57

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:59:57

In like the not just the internet, but like in today's media slash social media slash internet landscape.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:08

Right.

SPEAKER_13 2:00:10

And I think the answer is is that because like for me, when I'm like listening to someone say something, and I know that you think this way, at least a little bit. I don't know like your exact process, but I think most people that are critical thinkers have something similar. Who is this person? Why are they saying this? Who are they saying this about? And what you know, what are facts are they presenting or whatever? And then like I'm like, if they say something, then I double check like what they say. And then if it like is that, well, then I double check the and then so you start to learn people, so you don't have to do that forever, but I'm just saying, like, when I discover, like, say, a new podcaster or something, it's called trust and verify. Right. And then you verify like everything that they're saying, and then even with the people that are saying it, so you're verifying those people. But then once you have an established pattern and you recognize that these people say, you know what I mean, this is how they look at then you don't have to keep doing that. But like you can take it at face value.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:22

But not everybody has the capacity to do that, or is even willing to do that, or wants to, or wants to, and so or even knows what that is. When I asked Shabby about it, he was like, Well, you're forgetting about emotional intelligence. So even if they are considerably high on the intelligence spectrum, the fact that they need validation, they need those clicks and likes, also potentially puts them on lower on the emotional intelligence spectrum. And then when you factor in things like I said earlier about Bunny having money before she knew what to do with it, that manipulates her motives and like makes her do things with money that a normal adult wouldn't do, right? So, like it all kind of we'll never have the answers.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:13

That's exactly right. We never will. There's somebody for her, and there's somebody for him.

SPEAKER_13 2:02:20

That's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:22

This was a really, really, really long episode. Well, when we got into some things though, but since we don't have a strong closer other than talking about what's going on, I'm gonna play your little conspiracy theory game real quickly.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:38

Well, gimme. Okay.

SPEAKER_13 2:02:42

Okay, so we already talked about so let's go moon landing.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:47

Oh God, see, I'm you got five seconds.

SPEAKER_13 2:02:51

Can't be thinking about it.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:52

No, I'm on the fence.

SPEAKER_13 2:02:53

Okay, so okay, that that's allowed. That's allowed. I'll allow that because I said that's where I was. JFK assassination. Now, I'm gonna just throw make it easy. Oswald lone gunman or part of a greater conspiracy.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:08

Greater conspiracy.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:09

Okay. We don't have to deep dive the details. Ah, I mean, greater conspiracy, but I don't think it has to be some super crazy conspiracy. Right. I think it could just be a couple of rogue agents doing some handling and just much like this type we were just talking about. I think it could be something super similar. You know what I mean? Like a handler, all that stuff. Yeah, you know how things like that go. I'm just saying that's I I don't think it has to involve multi-agency state constraints, you know, and all that bullshit. Anyway, flat Earth, we already talked about that. Nuclear weapons?

SPEAKER_04 2:03:55

They're real.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:57

Okay. That's that would be a deal breaker. Now RFK. Sirhan Sirhan. Lone gunman, or again, part of Greater Conspiracy.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:11

Greater conspiracy.

SPEAKER_13 2:04:13

Okay.

Rapid Fire Conspiracy Draft

SPEAKER_04 2:04:17

Look how many times they tried to kill RFK Jr., man.

SPEAKER_12 2:04:21

RFK Jr.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 2:04:23

Did they try to kill him?

SPEAKER_04 2:04:24

Yeah, that's how he got his brain warmed. Yeah. That was from It was from the government. CIA did it.

SPEAKER_12 2:04:32

He worked for the government.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:34

No.

unknown 2:04:35

Right.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:36

That was like the contingency plan.

SPEAKER_13 2:04:38

Yeah, I I suppose, but why am I blanking on conspiracies right now?

SPEAKER_04 2:04:43

I know, because like I mean, like, we still don't know what happened to Jimmy Hawtha, so we don't know if there was a conspiracy or not. Like.

SPEAKER_09 2:04:56

Let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:01

Ooh, I got a good one. 9-11. Oh, see. Inside job? Or no?

SPEAKER_04 2:05:11

I lean towards inside job on that one.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:14

Do you think?

SPEAKER_04 2:05:16

I do.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:16

I don't know. Here's the thing is like I don't know about inside job. Do I think maybe piss poor and maybe piss poor job and allowing something to happen kind of thing? Job? Maybe. But I don't I don't know, man. It's I've seen a lot of good evidence on both sides. There's a lot of good people on both sides. That's all I'm saying. There's a lot of good people on both sides. Denver Airport, is it the Illuminati headquarters or no?

SPEAKER_04 2:05:55

We recently learned what that was.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:56

I did recently learn this because they built this huge luggage system that they can never use because it sucked, and by the time they figured out how to use it ten years later, it was basically obsolete. Not obsolete, I told you, like United or Americans uses or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:14

Right, but the thing of it is, is if that does not sound fathomable, working corporate America for ten years, and you'll find out that that happens every day with shit that we build and isn't there like a bridge to nowhere that we built in a train, a bullet train to nowhere that never got built.

SPEAKER_11 2:06:35

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:37

Bill Gates. Is he poisoning the potatoes?

SPEAKER_04 2:06:43

What potatoes?

SPEAKER_13 2:06:45

He uh I there's this like conspiracy about how because so the c there's a company that like Monsanto or whatever? No, there's a company that owns like most of the like a big portion of the McDonald's, the potato the farms that farm for McDonald's. And Bill Gates is like a he I I I he might not be still, you know what I mean, but he was an inv big investor in this potato farm company. But so people are like, he's I heard conspiracy theories that he was doing some of the potatoes in Mc in McDonald's to make you like I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:28

More compliant?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:29

More compliant? How's that working out?

SPEAKER_10 2:07:32

Murray told it to me.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:33

I don't know. Oh Christ. Oh, well, there's one. Do you believe in the conspiracy of the Nasara?

SPEAKER_02 2:07:40

I yeah, I mean. Do you believe that 5G causes COVID?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:50

No. Well, Booster Boosie broke that one down.

SPEAKER_12 2:07:58

Yeah, I mean, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:00

There's only a couple conspiracies. Like there's other ones like do Elvis.

SPEAKER_13 2:08:06

There's more. The greatest conspiracy show ever, The Octopus Murders.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:11

Oh, yeah. I could go watch that right now. I could watch that.

SPEAKER_13 2:08:14

So good.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:14

That was a red string board.

SPEAKER_13 2:08:17

Yeah, buddy. That was about some it was like the government, basically like government arms dealing conspiracy thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:25

Speaking of which, what we have You're scaring me. No, I was just gonna say, like, we literally our life is just deja vu and it's all just interwoven with the same themes all the time. What's that podcast we're listening to?

SPEAKER_13 2:08:47

Something about the Zodiac Killer and the Black Dow, yeah. And codes being in c it's called the K Killer in the Code.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:08:56

Killer in the Code.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:58

Yeah. August 1st, we're gonna be on vacation because we've got a million things between now and then. Um we'll be back with you on August 15th.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:10

So in the meantime, you've got a show, July 25th.

SPEAKER_11 2:09:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:20

No, you're hosting.

SPEAKER_11 2:09:22

July twenty-fifth. No, July twenty fifth on a show.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:31

Something about a claw.

SPEAKER_11 2:09:35

I'll have to look up the name. I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:37

Well, so Scott is gonna be in charge of updating his web page on our website, gildedtrash.com. So his he's got lots of upcoming shows and events, so you can expect. I will be updating. Yeah, I he'll be updating.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:54

Um I'll be updating.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:58

Why are you saying that?

SPEAKER_04 2:10:02

You sound like even you don't believe it. I don't believe it. But or you could just message one of us to find out where he's gonna be, or follow us on Facebook, follow us, follow, follow Scott on Instagram, follow me on TikTok. But that being said, what are the cool things that we're doing? My birthday is next week.

SPEAKER_13 2:10:23

But it's home of our favorite festival.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:26

Yes. UF UFO

Shows, Festivals, And Plans Ahead

SPEAKER_04 2:10:33

festival.

SPEAKER_13 2:10:34

Followed by August 1st, Swonkfest.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:36

Squonkfest. Right.

SPEAKER_13 2:10:38

It's a big encrypted time of year. A big well, Kexburg is UFO, but it's when you're there, yeah. Well, you have to understand something. The UFO encrypted people and the all the people, they have all teamed up.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:53

Right. UFO is part of one.

SPEAKER_13 2:10:57

It's one community. Yeah. They don't they break off and do their own thing after the meetings, but they're all part of the same group. They only get one hamburger stand to share between them.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:12

It's just one big melting pot of weirdos, and we're there forever. And we're there for every minute.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:18

Well, some here's the thing is not to deep dive this, but what's fun is some people like one, some people like two out of the three, some people buy the whole package.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:32

Right.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:33

Some people go above and beyond and take it like to a whole because like I sign up for all those things, but I'm not interested in the fantasy stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:42

Right.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:43

And like the fake cryptids. I don't give a shit. Well, I mean when I say fake, I mean fake in the mind of the guy that's trying to sell me the book.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:55

Right.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:55

They're real.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:56

Right. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:58

Like shout out, world of the orb.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:09

I didn't want to call it out, but I am.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:11

You're hilarious. Yeah, which means that we may or may not not run into Dave Spinks, Ron Murphy.

SPEAKER_13 2:12:19

We'll definitely run into Ron Murphy.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:21

What's that other guy that you were just watching?

SPEAKER_13 2:12:22

Stan Gordon.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:23

Stan Gordon.

SPEAKER_13 2:12:25

We'll definitely, he'll be there. That's his like he's the patron saint of Kexburg.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:30

There you go. So I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to Squunk Fest. I'm looking forward to so many things, especially with a baby in town.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:39

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:40

Oh my god, I'm so excited. We just did the Jackson Township Heritage Festival. That was really cool. Shout out to the Hayride guy. That was so fun.

SPEAKER_13 2:12:49

Yeah, thanks, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:50

Yeah. Mineral Point is a cute little enclave.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:54

Is that what that is?

SPEAKER_04 2:12:55

Yeah. I thought that was. No, we're at 200 Adam Street Mineral Point.

SPEAKER_13 2:13:00

Well, I know that's what the address said, but Jackson Township. Right, I get that, but I thought it was Vinco.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:06

Vinco. Yeah. All the above.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:09

Any of those.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:10

They're all the same. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:12

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:13

What else do we got coming up? So that's it. You've got a show on the 25th.

SPEAKER_13 2:13:17

Yeah, we got shows and baby stuff.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:20

And festivals. Oh, and that was the other thing. So Squawk Fest is during the daytime August 1st, and then that night, Mark Ricadonna is at McGarvey's with what's that lady's name?

SPEAKER_12 2:13:35

I don't know how to say it. I'm gonna be honest with you. Ashley something. Ashley G. Just call her Ashley G. I don't know how to say it.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:50

Okay. Anyways, Mark Rigadonna is at McGarvey's in Altuna August 1st as well.

SPEAKER_13 2:13:57

And Ashley G. And Ashley G. She I don't know her. She has a gazillion like YouTube views.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:05

I'm not looking it up right now.

SPEAKER_13 2:14:06

No.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:07

I'll I'll plug her into the promos.

SPEAKER_13 2:14:09

If you look up McGarvey's, you'll find out.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:12

I know. But I'm ready to wrap this up. So you're welcome for a two-parter, which is probably even still combined longer than half most of our episodes. And if nobody's told you bitches this week, stay trash. Stay trash.