Gilded Trash
Ride shotgun with Comedian Scott Reed and Creator AlannaB as they travel the country in search of ...what? When they figure it out, you'll be the first to know!
Gilded Trash
Are Yinz Paying Attention?
We trace a ghost word from Roanoke through writers and outlaws, dig into why raccoons are evolving alongside our cities, and then confront how predators exploit kids on major platforms while companies look away. Gratitude, humor, and music breaks give way to a direct call for vigilance and action.
• Croatoan’s trail across Roanoke, Bierce, Poe, Black Bart, and Amelia Earhart
• plausible assimilation vs myth‑making and legend drift
• raccoon pre‑domestication traits in urban ecosystems
• John Prine, Daddy And Them, and why tone matters
• Ryan Montgomery’s ethical hacking and verified stats
• Roblox bans vigilantes while predators thrive
• the 764 cult’s scripts for grooming and extortion
• practical safety: remove risky apps, limit DMs, monitor devices
• tools to explore: Bark, Sentinel Foundation resources
• steps to educate friends, set boundaries, and keep kids talking
Go watch the Sean Ryan podcast with Ryan Montgomery. Get them off of there because it doesn’t matter how safe you think they are, they’re not safe.
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Lanterns low, thunder rolls, Scott and Atlanta hit the road. Dirt roads, dark, moonlight hides. Sasquatch prince by the river side.
SPEAKER_00:Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Gilded Trash. And let me tell you, this week we are stacked. Stacked. We've got raccoons turning into emotional support mascots. We've got Crow Toen popping up everywhere in history like some weird uh they're here message. Um, we've got Sean Ryan talking to Ryan Montgomery this week in a six-hour long podcast. We got Roblox, we got vigilante predator hunters. What else, babe?
SPEAKER_01:We're covering predators, poets, colonists, cults, raccoons, assassins, gamers, nihilists, vigilantes, an extremely dry Andy Griffith movie, although I will say it grew on me. Basically, it exists, disappears, evolves, commits a crime, leaves a cryptic message. We're talking about it.
SPEAKER_00:We are talking about it. But first, today is actually Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_01:It is Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_00:And we've been lucky enough not to have to cook today. We're cooking Sunday instead.
SPEAKER_02:Beautiful.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, I'm excited about that. Um, but since we don't have to cook, I just want to take a minute to say how thankful I am for first and foremost, our friends, family, and loyal listeners. Because guys, like we appreciate the comments, we appreciate the engagement, we appreciate the likes and shares. We haven't gone viral just yet, but we will. Um, but really, I want to say that I am thankful for Scott.
SPEAKER_01:I do not I think I'd be first, but okay. You were gonna be first on my list, but you just got moved to number two.
SPEAKER_00:I just wanted to get that one out of the way.
SPEAKER_01:Um teaching.
SPEAKER_00:I know. I just wanted to get that one out of the way. Um, but listen, I don't give you enough credit. You are really truly a super nerd. You just don't act like one, so people don't see it until you start talking about certain things. But um, I this episode wouldn't even be possible if he wouldn't listen to nerdy podcasts all day and then bring me the cool shit that he finds so I don't have to dig through it all. So thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I appreciate that, and I appreciate you, and I of course I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for you for a multitude of reasons. Um, but mostly that you just uh you just get things done. You're the uh you're the driver. So uh no, I appreciate that. And um no, but uh I mean other than that, I mean obviously I'm thankful for the listeners. I'm thankful for all that stuff. But I think above all else, I'm thankful for my master built extra large turkey fryer, indoor electric turkey fryer that should be here Saturday. Um I think that's clear um that that takes top priority.
SPEAKER_00:Um because I mean just Notice how it's always about cooking gadgets. It's always about the cooking gadgets.
SPEAKER_01:Gotta love it. It just allows it, it's it has so much room for activities. I mean, it really does. You can boil deep fry, air fry, steam. You could make it into a little hot tub.
SPEAKER_00:A hot tub for kittens, maybe. I'm excited about that because I'm excited about deep fried turkey.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, of course. Which we'll be doing Sunday. Like you already said, we're doing a little we're going to a dinner, but we're gonna do our own little Thanksgiving dinner.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I'm not wishing anything crazy on us over the next couple days, but we've got a lot going on. So if anything crazy does happen, of course, we'll bring it to you guys and let you know. But if not, we'll talk about what we ate and everything next week. But you guys know what we do for Thanksgiving. We've talked about it.
SPEAKER_01:Right, but we have a weekend packed full of activities, though. We got two shows, big show here in Johnstown, big show Saturday night in State College. Uh, and then doing our thing here on Sunday, and then now we've added another thing to Monday's schedule, which is maybe hopefully linking up with somebody that we haven't seen in quite some time. So that should be a good time.
SPEAKER_00:So maybe I can get an interview and see how the life is sweet.
SPEAKER_01:What's funny though is that that pool picture right there. Me and remember we went to that show together right about the time that you and I got together. I think that was like 2009.
SPEAKER_00:So it was 2009, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah. So but anyway, yeah, back to the back back to reality. What was that song? What is that from?
SPEAKER_00:Back to reality. Back to reality.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what is that? It's an 80s song.
SPEAKER_00:Wait, however do you want me? However do you need me? However, do you want me? Um LaBoof, me LaBouche, maybe? I don't know. I'll have to look. It was a weird, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I remember LaBouche, but I I mean I don't know if it's them, but I'm just saying. I don't know. I said the song.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I always wanted to come up with a band, obviously LaDouche, but LaDouche. LaDouche.
SPEAKER_00:La douche.
SPEAKER_01:La douche. Bucky LaDouche. That sounds like a guy.
SPEAKER_00:It does sound like a guy.
SPEAKER_01:Bucky La Douche.
SPEAKER_00:It sounds like a guy who has a used car lot.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But I'll never see Bucky La Douche.
SPEAKER_01:Hi. I've been saying I've been out here selling Nissan since 1986. Come on down to Bucky La Douche Nissan.
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:In old in old Hickory, Tennessee. Bucky LaDouche Nissan.
SPEAKER_00:So um the first thing that's on the schedule to talk about today is a word. So I remember the conversation. I remember you coming to me and saying, babe, like something about this road, this word has not just appeared once, right?
SPEAKER_01:Well right. But let's start with the beginning of this. The word Crowton. We know with the croton. We're familiar with this. I was a ri we were originally familiar with this, like most folks, through the lost colony of Roanoke, which we've been down to the park in the outer banks. We did the whole museum thing. It's very fascinating stuff. I mean, it's very interesting. I enjoyed that. Great little part. Remember the garden?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It was beautiful. Yeah. No, my favorite part though was like the um the archway that cut right into the sea. That's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01:It might have been from the lost colony. No, I don't think it was. No, it was always shit, though.
SPEAKER_00:It was from like a naval battle site. I don't remember. The island is real story, but it was still beautiful. But yeah, that was great.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. No, but just to give a little background, for those not familiar, the lost colony of Roanoke allegedly, like if you go to the outer banks, you can see it go to the over to Manio and go to the museum and do the whole thing. It's very fascinating stuff. Um, you know, but the English settlers, they went there. Supposedly, when they left, they left the word on the tree. I mean, they did. That's all that they left was this word on the tree. People think they assimilated into the, which was the next the next island down was Crootoan Island. So people think that they assimilated with those Indians that lived on that island, yada yada yada. That's the story that most people know. What I brought to you was something that I saw. Now, here's the real miracle of it is we don't even know how I saw this. Because we have tried, I we I have endlessly Googled Chat GPT, babe. You chappied. You tried to do that. And even he he still refused to break this down. I don't understand what's going on with the searches on this thing, but I saw it on either an episode of um Mysteries at the Museum, Mysteries at the Monument, Ancient Aliens, or The Unexplained with William Shatner. Those are the only four choices. Those are the only shows I sleep to. I'm teasing. Those are the only shows. But those are the frequent ones, right?
SPEAKER_00:Now that I've banned Seinfeld's voice from the bedroom after 9 p.m., yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Occasionally, if I'm feeling froggy, you might get a monk or a psych or a house.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But usually it's those because I like the voices. And it's very comforting to me to listen to George.
SPEAKER_00:Speaking of whips, this is not even on the list of topics, but that video you showed me of William Shatner talking about the afterlife.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my God. He's being interviewed. It's like 60 Minutes or something like that, was interviewing William Shatner. And they're like asking him about, because he does do this, he he's hosted the show Weirder What, which is basically just a the older version of what he does now, which is the unexplained, which is on the History Channel, which, you know, they just it's kind of like an unsolved mysteries, but not only focuses on like weird things, not really like murder or anything like that. It's just paranormal, more or less. UFOs, Bigfoots, you know, all my favorite things. Um, mixed with Bill Shatner's voice, which sounds surprisingly at low volume in the middle of the night, sounds surprisingly like Robert Stack.
SPEAKER_00:Just a little bit, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's weird. Yeah, if you have it low, I'm like, is that Unsolved Mysteries or is that Philip Shatner?
SPEAKER_00:No, but um speaking of which, I was sleeping the other night and I woke up and something was on, and Scott didn't know I was awake. And it was scary. The sound of it scared him so much. He just flipped it off.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, It was unsolved mysteries. You don't put that devil shit on in the middle of the night with me, buddy. Hell no. That's Satan's voice.
SPEAKER_00:It is scary.
SPEAKER_01:Shout out to Robert Stock. I know I love Robert Stock, though, but his voice is just scary as shit, dude. It's scary.
SPEAKER_00:Um so all we know is that you were making the bed and you were listening to this. We don't have to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01:One of those shows was still on because I make the bed when I get up in the morning. You get up before me, I get up, I make the bed. The TV, I sleep we slipped with the TV on. One of those shows was on. It was talking about how they found the word Croatellan. Also, Ambrose Pierce, who disappeared. They something with that.
SPEAKER_00:Now, when he when he disappeared, they found it carved in the room that he last stayed.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Or a bedpost. I lie. It was on a bedpost.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:In the room that he last stayed.
SPEAKER_01:Stayed before they he disappeared. Okay. And for those that don't know, I don't know a lot about Ambrose Beer, so I know he's a poet. I mean, some writer back like civil, I know that like in civil war time, right? I'm thinking. I think that's correct.
SPEAKER_00:I don't. I've had his name that.
SPEAKER_01:Back then, back in the 1800s. And then, of course, the infamous outlaw, Black Bart, who wasn't black, by the way, so don't get that mixed up. They didn't call him that because of his skin colors.
SPEAKER_00:Um they uh Wait, what was his real name?
SPEAKER_01:Charles Longfellow Deeds? No.
SPEAKER_00:I have it. Hold on.
SPEAKER_01:Charles Longfellow Deeds.
SPEAKER_00:Because as soon as I say it, you're gonna be like, oh, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like it's William something.
SPEAKER_00:No, Charles Bowles or Charles Bowles.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, Charles, okay, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:There's two different. There's two different, like he went by Charles Bowles and Charles Bolton, but he was um famous. But before we get into Black Bart, also allegedly Amelia Earhart had Croatone written in one of her flight logs.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, I think we'll get to her next. Right after I said the Black Bart part about so he disappeared. They found it in the jail cell where he last was, before he disappeared. And then, like she just said, with Amelia Earhart, allegedly they found that written in like her journal, like you know, something like that. Now, and a lot of these are just legends. We're not saying that there's not pictures of the word croton written on Black Bart's jail cell. Right. There wasn't they didn't take a picture of it, okay? And I although that would be cool. What?
SPEAKER_00:Like a rubbing, like a wall rubbing.
SPEAKER_01:Like a little like on National Treasure when they do the board. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That'd have been awesome. But uh like a plank from the Native Americans. Um But yeah, they so a lot none of these things are like we're just bringing these are legends, stories, but it's still very fascinating to me. Oh, we forgot a big one, Edgar Allan Poe. Now he didn't disappear. Right? He just died.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but allegedly it was like in one of the last pages of his diary before.
SPEAKER_01:Like that he wrote right before he died. How did he die?
SPEAKER_00:I don't remember. Oh, maybe heart attack. No, I'm thinking of somebody else. But like so the commonality of three of the people is so Edgar Allan Poe, Ambrose Spears, and um Blackbart, which we'll get into, all wrote, right? They were theatrical.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't know that Black Bart wrote.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah, we'll get into that.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:But so they all wrote, and so it it kind of leads you to believe that let's say that that word appeared all three times, allegedly, because it's alleged, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right, let's just assume that it did for this.
SPEAKER_00:Is there like a secret writer society of people who are in on like some cosmic joke? Or because what I didn't look into is Crowtow and Island, like what if that island was established because of aliens? I think it's aliens or some type of aliens.
SPEAKER_01:That's not where I was going with it. But I was thinking more along the lines of well, I don't know, it's just bizarre. Or is there some kind of bizarre, mysterious force? You know what I mean? Some kind of paranormal thing like uh that like these people, like because with the disappearance that I don't I don't even know. I don't even know how to venture a guess. If it happened, it's really fucking weird, dude. Like it's weird. Take the lost colony of Roanoke out outside because that one makes a lot of sense to me. There's this island, these people were they were starving to death. They went one island down, they carved it in a tree, says somebody like and we also know that because like they dug through the uh trash heaps and stuff down there, so we know that it that's most likely the scenarios that any survivors assimilated into the local indigenous tribes, yada yada yada, blah, blah, blah. That's a very logical, makes sense story. Like, there's nothing weird about that to me. No, but why in the hell would anybody 250 years later be writing about, talking about, unless they were specifically talking about that. How do they even know the fucking word? Right. I mean, like, it's not like you're just even now people are like Croat, what? Croatian? That's what Cappy thinks you're saying. Croatian.
SPEAKER_00:Cappy hates me, and we'll get to that later. Fuck. He's always messing up my words.
SPEAKER_01:But like, so I just don't even understand why one if it was one, sure. But why would any of the why would multiple people of these be talking about this? Like you said, and I don't think, and I don't recall there being any talk about like I don't think Edgar Allan Pooh, Edgar Allan Pooh, I don't think that Edgar Allan Pooh no, I Edgar Allan Poe, I don't think he was like hanging out with Ambrose Pierce or Black Bart. You know what I mean? I think they're all sort of like independent Yeah, they may have some things in common, but I don't think they were like caught like uh what's the word uh contemporaries, like in any way. You know what I mean? Like they weren't friends, they wouldn't like they're totally in like different slices of life. And correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that's the case.
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't think it is either. I I mean I couldn't find anything on it, but here's the other thing about that is that when you try to research this damn word, I feel like the internet sends you in circles and it's not a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:It doesn't want you to find it. Well, that brings us back to the thing, which is when now when I've tried to this is just like four days ago, I watched this. We can't find any record of the damn thing. No, like we can find shows about like each thing independently, but them talking about it together as one unified like theory, right?
SPEAKER_00:Like not conspiracy, because it's not that, but it's just like a WTF moment of why are all these people using this word.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's what caught me. And here I've thought about it long and hard because you know me. I'm like, how did I see this? The at the very least, they were talk what they were discussing one of these other. It wasn't the lost colony of Roanoke. I know that a thousand percent because it wouldn't have caught my attention if that's what it was. But the fact that someone else had written this word, I'm pretty sure it was Ambrose Pierce, and then disappeared, I was like, what? And then I'm almost 100% sure that they mentioned the other things, but maybe I just Googled it and saw the other things and then like imprinted that onto the memory. That I'm willing to concede that if that's the case. I don't think that was the case because what I it what because I when I heard it, I was stopped and I was like, this is really interesting. Like, what are they how is this even possible? Because it like it caught me as so weird, and I don't think it would have been that shocking had it not made at least one of the other connections.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. And like how how has nobody like it's not even like there's weird chat boards about this cons there's nothing about it, but they're all kind of, and when you try to look it up and nobody's talking about the fact that it happened, like I found one really good article that was that really like kind of put it all together, but that's really all that was out there was like one article tying these things together.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, it's not well known, and I want to know why. I'm gonna continue to dig into this. Um what?
SPEAKER_00:I said, I want to know why, but now like I want to look into Curlatoan Island and understand that place more to see where their origins are from, because like Well, they're indigenous people.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, but what I mean, so that's I mean, but what what here's what I want to know is what sort of traditions and stuff that do they have? Did they have like a tale of like skinwalkers similar to the skinwalkers, but like their version, but it's like time trap skippers or something? Like that's what I want to find out. Like I want to find that out. That's gonna require some more hard boots on the ground like research.
SPEAKER_00:So we're just making a wish list for when we start traveling again.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Um so Black Bart was one of the people who allegedly, like you said, he allegedly it was in his jail cell and then he disappeared, right?
SPEAKER_01:So Well, I think he was released. I think they released him and then was never heard from again. And they found that on his cell, I think is the way that it went.
SPEAKER_00:So Black Bart used to write poetry about his crimes. That's why he was the gentleman outlaw.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, the old gentleman outlaw, Black Bart.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The old gentleman outlaw, Black Bart.
SPEAKER_00:I didn't do too much research into it because like I'm not sure. Yeah, no. I mean But it was just a fun fact that whenever I was researching Crowotilin, that um the stuff that I found out about Black Bart, like I always just thought he was a pirate, like a real just over on the seas pirate. I didn't know he was like a human living inland robbing stagecoaches.
SPEAKER_01:Right. He was a modern day pirate because it had pirates were back in like the 1600s, like at least in America, like you know, the Buccaneers type pirates. And he came along, and he would what I mean to get a name like Black Bart, all your other outlaws were like Billy the Kid.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? It was all names like that. It was just like a play on their name. But like Black Bart is a pirate name. All right, T. They called me Black Bart.
SPEAKER_00:But like he would have people believing that there was an ambush waiting um for them if they didn't comply, and he was like working alone and stuff. He was very masterful at his craft. He never killed anybody. He never hurt gentlemen. Yeah, he never like he never smurted, he never rob uh well, he did rob, that was his whole life, but he didn't like he didn't like rape or assault or do any of the Mount Rushmores. He just robbed.
SPEAKER_01:He did just did a little rob. I mean, who wasn't robbing back then? I mean, come on, I forgive the guy.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_01:Without them, he wasn't hurting nobody.
SPEAKER_00:Without stagecoach robbers, we wouldn't have bank security.
SPEAKER_01:I guess. Well, fuck the banks anyhow. Fuck that. Fuck Wells Fargo, fuck all them big banks that they was robbing, anyhow. They deserved it.
SPEAKER_00:By all means, fuck Pinkerton and Baldon.
SPEAKER_01:Right. We said what we said.
SPEAKER_00:The old Pinkerton bull days. But on my list, I don't even know what's on my list. Well, it's on my list.
SPEAKER_01:I know. Right here, right here. Yes, so within the last, we'll say two weeks. I think it's more in the realm of seven to eight days, but uh, who knows? Um, Scientific American put out this article because there was this study. I don't remember who did the study, I don't remember this and that, but I did read the article. And basically, what was surmising is that raccoons have entered into like the pre-domestication part of their evolution. And this has happened because generally animals that become domesticated, the first step of that is not human interaction in the sense of like it's not humans taking them and domesticating. The first instance of this is like if you think about this from like cave people times, humans make trash and waste. So animals started coming around, wolves, cats feed on like the rats and the mice and stuff that feed on, you know what I mean? It's like a downward, you know, the food cycle. And so the animals that were the least scared of humans that didn't trigger their flight or fight flight response the most, like those animals that had the least amount of fight or flight around humans were rewarded because uh humans then gave them food. So those qualities became uh ideal for those animals. And so animals that have a close relationship with human trash, which these guys do, my shirt says garbage gangster, they they're they have started in particularly in cities. They took like what the 20,000 photos, like ran them through some kind of AI recognizer thing to measure snout size. And what they found is these animals that have close interaction with humans, and this happened with they this happened with dogs and cats too back in the day prior to domestication. Their snouts start to become smaller. Because one of the things, one of the traits that goes along with domestication and humans choosing to domesticate, is the snouts become smaller, and humans, for whatever reason, view that as less risky, I guess. If that makes sense, it makes them more appealing looks-wise to humans. Um, and so that's why that happens. So, because there were these other characteristics, one of the things that goes along with not having fight or flight is a smaller snout. It's not that it's coincidence, you know what I mean? So, all these things, all these DNA things sort of work hand in hand to create this symbiotic relationship that leads to domestication. And modern raccoons in cities are in the pre like state. No, I don't think we'll see it in our lifetime, because evolution's a slow burner, baby. And uh, but they're starting to evolve and are in the pre-stages of becoming domesticated.
SPEAKER_00:So then Rocket wasn't a science experiment going wrong. He's actually just a modern, modern, modern future, future.
SPEAKER_01:Futuristic, futuristic raccoon when we got them talking and stuff. But this is great news. I totally sounded like a little bit of a scientist there.
SPEAKER_00:He totally did, and I love it.
SPEAKER_01:But you know, I have a great interest in evolutionary biology and like read about it and stuff. So that stuff fascinates me. So I had read the whole thing, and that's why I brought it to you. Well, because we love raccoons, obviously. It's they're our mascot, and there is nothing more in life than I would love to have a little raccoon sitting on the couch with me, and I'm flipping them cheese balls, baby. You know, that just that warms my heart.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, gosh. And I've already looked at the laws just because it, you know, got my little my gears turning. And in Pennsylvania. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Are the laws keeping up with biology?
SPEAKER_00:No. Well, in Pennsylvania, which we know, Pennsylvania, uh, we've talked about this before. Like, I believe in the need for environmental protections and animal people and all that, but they they just fucking abuse their power. So in the state of Pennsylvania, you need a wildlife rescue, a license, a permit, a fucking letter from Jesus Christ himself, and then maybe you can own a raccoon. So I've already been looking into states where you can own raccoons so I can move.
SPEAKER_01:Now I'm not sure. I bet Texas is on that list, though. Texas can do anything. If you can own a tiger, they let you have a raccoon. You know what I mean? If you can have a tiger, they let you have a raccoon. So Florida's on the list, Texas is on the list. I'm sure all those western states where you can have giant lions are all on that list.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the thing about it is we just we the big thing is proper training and handling techniques. So, like obviously, just get we'll create a rescue, and then people call us when there's one that is without its mom, and then we have a whole bunch of them.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that'd be awesome. Um Are we gonna go see Daddy and them up there later for Thanksgiving?
SPEAKER_00:Jesus eight. So this has been a couple weeks in the making, and I'm gonna preface this by saying that one of my absolute favorite hands-down songs ever is In Spite of Ourselves, John Prime.
SPEAKER_01:John Prime is a great songwriter. We love a lot of his songs. A lot of people, you may not know John Prime, you may not know In Spite of Ourselves, but you do know me and Bobby McGee.
SPEAKER_00:He wrote that.
SPEAKER_01:He did, right? No, that was Chris. Who was that?
SPEAKER_00:That was Chris. It was Chris Christopherson.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what did John Prime write? Oh, no, the but the Betty, the but uh Bonnie Raid.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, Angel from Montgomery.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
SPEAKER_00:That that is
SPEAKER_01:It got part out. I don't want to be associated.
SPEAKER_00:No, yeah, he wrote Angel from Montgomery, um, which I've been covering that song for years, decades even, I would say. And then um I don't I'd heard in spite of ourselves one or two times, and I was always like, why the hell did he write that song? It's just so weird and quirky. And I found out that he wrote it for a movie. I, without even knowing the move this movie existed, I was thinking maybe he wrote it for like um oh, what was that movie the um with Christian Slater and what's her name, where they were like totally crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I have no idea. The only Christian Slater movie I've ever seen is Cuffs.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's not cuffs. But there's like a couple movies like that, even Pulp Fiction, like the couple in the beginning of Pulp Fiction. Um is it Pulp Fiction? The ones that are sitting in the diner.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. We're getting ready to rob them, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But there's another movie that's that is almost feels like it's based on that couple that was trending around the same time in the 90s. I can't remember what it was. Yeah, with True something or other.
SPEAKER_02:True romance.
SPEAKER_00:Was it?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_00:No. But, anyways, long story short, I thought that that was True Romance. True romance, yes. I thought that that song was written about the couple in True Romance. Full stock. Then I found out that it was this other movie called Daddy and M.
SPEAKER_01:Daddy and M.
SPEAKER_00:Daddy and Nim.
SPEAKER_01:Featuring Billy Bob Thornton. It's a who's who of good actors.
SPEAKER_00:For F sake. Laura Dern, uh, Kelly Preston.
SPEAKER_01:Billy Bob Thornton. Kelly Preston was in it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she was the slutty sister.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I didn't even see that that was her. I tell you, Andy Griffith is the dad. Um Jamie Lee Curtis, Jamie Lee Curtis, Ben Affleck, Walton and Goggins.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I forgot he was in it. And then um, what's his name? Um, the guy from uh outside Nashville. Um he was the brother in prison. Vern. What's his real name though?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, Jim Varney.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Jim Varney's in it.
SPEAKER_01:I forgot there's so many people in it.
SPEAKER_00:There are so we just listened a whole stacked fucking cast of characters. That movie, I don't want to make fun of suicide right now. Here's the thing though.
SPEAKER_01:The more I got into it, the movie is slow. Don't get me wrong, and it's not packed with laughs or endearing moments or anything like that. None of it, none of it, but there was a point in the movie. At first, I was like, this is terrible. There's a point that happens about a third of the way through where you're like, I want to see what happens here.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I want to see what it is.
SPEAKER_01:You sort of become invested in it, and you're like, well, we gotta finish this thing now. And it's it's it's not good. I would never say it was good, but I wouldn't say that it was terrible either.
SPEAKER_00:It wasn't. It wasn't. So here's the thing is it just is.
SPEAKER_01:It just is.
SPEAKER_00:I've known people like that, and I've known relationships like that where they fucking are so toxic, but they just stay together and they're psychotic and they love bomb each other when they're happy, and then they fight five minutes later. I've I was even in a relationship like that when I was younger. So, like I get the dynamics, but uh when we just talked about this the other week. Like, why don't they redo bad movies? I feel like I want to fucking take that movie and redo it because it didn't.
SPEAKER_01:Add comedy to it. It could be hilarious if it was done more in the style of like a Cohen Brothers movie.
SPEAKER_00:If Leanne Morgan played the mom of the daughters, we you know what I mean? Like, we I want to reboot.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna talk to Hollywood about this.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we're gonna remake Daddy and Nun.
SPEAKER_01:Is Andy Griffith dead?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I gave if I don't have my feet on the floor, I slowly go like this.
SPEAKER_00:I thought it was I thought it was just you doing ADD.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:Like I'm listening to you, um, I'm listening to you, babe. I can totally hear what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01:No, I picked my leg up off the ground. I had like my, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:Like it was like You didn't have your anchor. You listened to your anger. All right. So let's I think get into the meat and potatoes of this episode. Oh God, I had to put it on.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm just saying, all this stuff came from like things that I happened to see and I brought to you. And I'm like, did you know about this? Have you have you heard?
SPEAKER_00:Let me do some research. Oh, there's one other thing, because no, we'll close the show on that last one that I put down because that's a little less deep, and I want to tease that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we need to go somewhere. We're gonna need to go somewhere.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, let's just get into it. God, I so you guys know I'm on socials. I'm on TikTok, and I've been hearing little I've which is a great kind of balance that I'm gonna bring to the conversation because um it is partially sensationalized on social media. Well, I'm Sanson, JD Delay, uh Slep, those guys are all in my feed all the time, like blowing shit up. But I hear the headlines.
SPEAKER_01:Let's take a time out here because I do want to warn people though, because normally we're talking about fun things.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:This is not what we're talking about next is not fun. If you don't want to like turn it off, catch us next time, whatever. But it is very serious and it is very near and dear to our heart. And but if you don't have we're gonna it's horrible. So if you don't want to hear something horrible, turn it off.
SPEAKER_00:And I mean, we're good, we're not gonna sugarcoat it. We're also not going to use inflammatory language as much as possible. Right. Just um like, yeah, like there's a there's a responsible way to kind of call some of this out. And the entire six-hour episode that we just watch. No, I didn't watch all six hours, but a lot of what we watch is they do, they do it in a respectful way. So there's a way to talk about it where you're not blowing it up with imagery, right? Just picture the worst effing things you can picture. Get them in your mind, and then pop them out because we're gonna talk about how and why we can deal with this.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah. And first off, I want to encourage people to go watch the episode for yourself. Go watch the Sean Ryan podcast. Ryan McGombery is the guy's name. It was his episode from not this week, this week Tucker Carlson was on there the week before that. Ryan McGomber. Or you can go back and even watch, if you really want to get into it, go his very first episode, which is like episode 56 or something, Sean Ryan. Um, but Ryan Montgomery, ethical hacker, uh, chief technology officer for uh the Sentinel Foundation, and they their work is working in the trafficking of children, exploitation of children, sexual abuse, you know, all that stuff. All they try to stop it overseas. Here they work with law enforcement to do that. And Ryan used to be a hacker, and he tried to expose him. That's how he kind of became a thing. I'm not gonna give you the whole story. Go watch the episode. He was a hacker. Sean Ryan blew him up trying to stop a pedophile ring that nobody would help him with. And that's his life. This guy just wants to stop freaking pedophiles.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Well, and let me just drop this in here real quick because it is funny and it's the and I don't want to, you know what I mean, um, make light of the rest of the content. But when I was doing research, so we've talked about this before. I use Chat GPT for every effing thing from recipes to scheduling my day to measuring my curtains. I'm talking to Chappie about it. So I was running down like just an outline of the episode, and I was like, we want to talk about Ryan Montgomery, otherwise known, or I said Ryan Montgomery, the guy that they call the ethical hacker. That's exactly what I said. And I have a horrible lisp and a Pennsylvania accent, and I talk really fast half the time. Chappie heard me say the Taco Bell hacker, and he did not fucking correct me. He didn't. So I was like cutting a teaser for this episode, and I was like, you know, the one they call the Taco Bell hacker, because he didn't Ryan Montgomery, Taco Bell hacker. So then after I cut the teaser, I was like, that doesn't sound right to me. Who I haven't found there was nothing about Taco Bell in the episode that we watched, nor had I seen it in any of the research. So I was like, why does the internet call Ryan Montgomery the Taco Bell hacker? And he's like, they don't. What are you?
SPEAKER_01:You do.
SPEAKER_00:He's like, I couldn't find incredible evidence of that. And I was like, motherfucker, you just wrote a script for me to drop on TikTok.
SPEAKER_01:I think what had happened is you said top ethical hacker.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Top ethical hacker, top ethical hacker, top act, top ethical hacker, top ethical hacker, talkable hacker. That's what happened to Chappie.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, transcription is funny for me. Because you know, I'll like transcription for this podcast cracks me up on the every time I read them, it states something funny that shouldn't be. And so it should have caught my mind. I'm usually really good on shit like that.
SPEAKER_01:But where's our list of made-up names?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like words that Chappie has given in the you know what I'm talking about, though. Things that it's think thought that we said. I can't remember any of them right now, but they're hilarious.
SPEAKER_00:It's so funny. I mean, oh my god, there's so many.
SPEAKER_01:So one of them was something about grandma's chips or so. I don't know. But let's get back to business.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So, anyways, uh, Ryan Montgomery is not a Taco Bell hacker. He's not even associated with Taco Bell.
SPEAKER_01:He is a great human being, though.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my God. I feel like I don't know how old he is, but I feel like he's my son.
SPEAKER_01:He's like 32, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, well, he yeah, he could be my son. Um, yeah, he could be. He could be my oldest. I don't know. But um, no, seriously, because um I like his personal I love his personality because it aligns with mine. He's very dry, very factual, very data-based. He has the capability to remove emotion when he's thinking through logic. However, he's also deeply emotional and has feelings. So that's like the perfect combination. And he's very thoughtful in the way that he speaks about things, which I love.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. And his main focus is something that is stopping child predators, which you know that I've said this is a way bigger problem than people want to like talk about. Like, it is huge, and you know, and we'll all talk about it right here. My fucking dirty ass, and don't put this as like the highlight of the clip or anything.
SPEAKER_00:No, dirty ass fucking terrible brother who you know he's in the youngest brother. Yeah, let's talk. We have a good brother too. There's a good one. I have a good brother too.
SPEAKER_01:If you know me, I'm not talking about that brother. I'm talking we all know who I'm talking about. And so we have like you can directly see this, but the his is like a like something completely. This is what's going on out there is a completely different world. And it's it really opened my eyes to it. Because I thought a lot of this stuff, like you said, was hyperbolic. I thought people were exaggerating some of this stuff, but like now I'm like now. I'm like ready to go out there. I'm like Sean Roman, I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like these motherfuckers, dude. Like, I want to be like in the streets combating evil more than anything that I've ever heard of in my entire like, nothing has ever like put a fire in my stomach and a lump in my throat, and like thoughts in my brain at the same time, more powerfully, it's hitting everything.
SPEAKER_01:It's the only like it's the only thing that I think about. It's the only group of people that I think about murdering and don't feel bad about it.
SPEAKER_00:Not even there's nothing. I I there's nothing like I've thought about, you know, we all think about like what would happen if this person wasn't in our life. And I when I was younger, I dealt with a lot of shitty people that took advantage of my being poor and naive, right? So not gonna lie, I wish death on those people. Thankfully, they're still alive today and they didn't die. However, I have, you know, talked to a higher power about that. That being said, even then, I understood that it was wrong. I understood that karmically it was there's I want to dexter the fuck out of these people. Like, I want to create a whole dexter network. Fuck.
SPEAKER_01:Don't talk about it. You're ruining it now. Now we can't do it. Because then they'll pull it up and they'll be like, we got you on this podcast saying that you want to dexter these people. Because that's the kind of attitude.
SPEAKER_00:Nobody should feel bad for them. I don't care.
SPEAKER_01:They're protected, though. They're protected, and that's what they said about on the thing. Look at Roblox. That's the perfect example. If you don't know about Roblox and your kids are on it, get them the fuck off. Go watch the Ryan Montgomery episode with Sean Ryan. Get them off of there because it doesn't matter how safe you think they are, they're not safe. And Roblox is doing nothing to protect, they're actively protecting the predators that are on there by not allowing groups to try to weed them out and get out the predators, the people that are just there, try to get predators off of there. Like, do not get people off of Roblox immediately. Immediately.
SPEAKER_00:Right, absolutely. Like, and Sean Ryan said it so well in the podcast. He's like, So, what do you do in this situation? So, Roblox, um, and we'll get into like what exactly happened. Um, Roblox has 75 million million active users a day. Daily users, it is the world's world's largest gaming app for children. The most popular that should, in and of itself, give it the highest security priorities and want to protect children that there is.
SPEAKER_01:Well, because we say this all the time child predators go where the children are. Like, it's no different. Why do you think that they ended up with so many in the Boy Scouts and priests and yada yada? Because they go where children are teachers. Those are where predators are, because that's where the kids kids are. Predators aren't gonna be where there's no kids. It's no different than like a hunter is not gonna go out to the middle of town and look for deer. You know what I mean? Like you're gonna go out where the fucking deer are.
SPEAKER_00:Like it's the like that are crimes of opportunity. Well, you have to fucking create your opportunity and you're gonna create it like you said, where the kids are. So on Roblox, um, there was a he's a YouTuber, I believe. His name is Schlepp. Um, but we talk about him on TikTok. Like I know of him just through TikTok through, cause I'm like, I follow a lot of predator hunters on TikTok, but I've never like fully engaged with their content. Because again, like I'll share their stuff because I want to give the ones that I trust like a platform. But again, like there are some that are so like hyperbolic and the messaging seems off to me. And I'm not saying that they're also predators, I'm just saying that it doesn't sound like they're in it for the right reasons, which Ryan talks about heavily. Like, he's not in it for fame, right? He's in it literally for one reason. One reason. That's it.
SPEAKER_01:And so Oh, I was gonna say before we go any further there, I want to point out too, because you brought up TikTok. This isn't just Roblox, it's the major platforms the kids are on. So TikTok is on that list. It's like TikTok, Snapchat, Roblox, Minecraft. What was the other big one? I don't even remember.
SPEAKER_00:Insta. Instagram.
SPEAKER_01:Instagram, yeah, that was the other one. Yep. Those are the five biggest ones where there's predators.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And so Schlep created, like he, I guess he created a fake account, obviously, that's probably what he did, and was engaging with predators. And I think there were six um warrants served after he did what he did. And Roblox shut him the fuck down. They shut him down. Not only did they shut him down, but they publicly released a press release saying that they were not going to allow vigilantes on their site.
SPEAKER_01:Well, they sent him a cease and assist cease and desist to stop what he was doing, and then made that public statement, like you said. So they like doubled and then doubled down on it again with like another statement after that. And they lost what, like 13 billion of market share because of the the the after-effect of that. Because a lot of people called him on it. They're like, you're protecting fucking pedophiles, you fucking jerkoffs. And Ryan made another great point, and I think it goes back to what I was saying about like they go where you don't think I would be willing to bet that there's some of these people that are in the very inner workings of roadblocks that try to and it's in government too. You see it, the government all the time doesn't want to do things about this because so many of them are involved. There's people in powerful, and I don't want to sound like a crazy person here. You start going down this rabbit hole of governments covering up child rap or it sounds lunatic like lunacy, but it's not. There's a and I'm not saying that all of it's going on in every rabbit hole is like, do I think that Pizzagate was real? No. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think that all of these things are fake, but at the same token, that doesn't mean that there's not real child trafficking going on on these platforms. We have proof. There's proof, facts, proof. It's not imaginary.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. And that is what pushed me over the edge. This podcast pushed pushed me from an interested sideline spectator to yes, I believe in uh protecting the children. However, I didn't know enough about it to like go on now. I know where the data is. I know who is doing the right things, I know who I believe I can trust on this. So there's organizations we'll talk about that you can use and trust and look at their content and get the message out. Because that's the thing, is people I have a very, very small following, but the following that I have, they trust me. They respect me, they know I'm smart, they know that I do my homework, they know that if I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong. So in that case, my voice is trusted among the few people who trust who follow me. So in that case, if I can get it out there to a couple people and they know who to trust and they can tell who to trust, I'm not asking to trust me. I'm asking them to go look at the podcast and find the information for yourself because I would like to believe that I am in tune with what's going on in the world. And I was mind-blown. Mind-blown.
SPEAKER_01:And that's just it. Like, don't believe me. Don't listen to pe other people that are out here shouting about this. Go, go check this out, do some of the research, look into like the Sentinel Foundation, look into Ryan Montgomery, look at what he's uncovered, look at other people, like you said, some of the other creators. I don't remember their names.
SPEAKER_00:Um, what was the whole um Who was the guy you were just talking about? Oh, um Slep.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, that guy, he has like YouTube stuff, right? So and he does a lot of that.
SPEAKER_00:Follow Chris Hansen. Chris Hansen's platforming again.
SPEAKER_01:Chris Hansen's an American goddamn hero. People shit on him because of the tactics that fuck those people, dude. They're going to meet kids. I don't give a fuck. Like it doesn't matter, dude. They're going to meet, they think they're going to meet children. I don't care the tactics. There's no reason that anybody, there's just not a reason. It doesn't matter what you were doing, what you thought, you're not a predator catcher yourself, you're not none of that. You were just trying to protect none of that. None of that, Matt. You were talking inappropriately with a child who you thought was a child. It's done, it's a wrap, it's over. You and the thing is about this, and people don't realize this sickness that lives in people's minds, it just goes further and further. There's nobody that's like, oh, he just likes to look a child porn. You know, he just likes to look. There's no the road is clear. You're done, dude. The road is clear. If you if you like Ryan Montgomery said, if you are attracted to children, I don't like you. Like, period, end of fucking stories.
SPEAKER_00:There's no fucking reason.
SPEAKER_01:And there's more, and there's more to it than people think. Don't think that it just happens in these circles. There's a hundred and what was it, a hundred and five thousand people that they looked at on their like their last thing in the United States that accessed and looked at uh child abuse, sexual child abuses.
SPEAKER_00:No. So that statistic is even scarier. So they did a sting operation for 30 days and on a website monitored 110,000 in 30 days. Unique user IDs looking at under 12 cesium.
SPEAKER_01:Under 12. That's what I said. No, um, no, but yeah, no, you're exactly right. Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing that the numbers that he gives you are astounding in the sense of like it doesn't matter what it is. It does the numbers are like way scarier than anything you could even imagine. Like the one that he originally covered was like 7,000 people, and that was like in a little tiny, a small geographic area, really, essentially. And like I'm just saying, like it happens, not only that, but you see this constantly in our communities. This person charged with it, that person charged with it, it's horrifying. Like, I would even get I would venture to say that we've probably you've probably seen one that happens in Pennsylvania daily. I know that it does happen daily, but I'm saying you come across a news article daily in your feed that's that says this person was arrested for, you know, whatever. It's so prevalent in our communities.
SPEAKER_00:And it's not it's it's everywhere though. And that's the thing that pisses me off too is that um it that with the Epstein thing, it's being politicized, right? Right. Um, it's not political. There are no fucking lines that say if you're Democrat or Republican, you're going to be this. You are a sick individual who is blending in with society where you can. It does not fucking matter.
SPEAKER_01:It transcends race, political divides, ethnicity, any of that. There's the facts of the matter. It's like 93% of people that like sexually abused children are men. That's a known fact. That's just the way that it is. Men commit more sex crimes than women, period, across the board. That's known. There's a myriad of factors. We're not going to go into that. Out of that, though, it's statistically equivalent, race-wise, religion-wise. You know what I mean? Like, there's no particular group that is like does more child abuse. You know what I'm saying? It's like in line with the population, like race-wise, you know what I mean, like background-wise, stuff like that. So it can happen anywhere. And most likely it's happening at the places where you think, because of like what I said, where the children are, it's happening at places where you least wouldn't, you would think that it would be safe, but it's not. Schools, churches, families. Most people are abused by their own family. And I'm not saying maybe their direct family, but you know what I mean? By somebody that they know and trust. This you're not walking down the street and get sexually abused by a stranger. It's happening, like you said, crimes of opportunity. So a lot of times that is family.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Right. Just everywhere. So the so, like, what drives me kind of insane is that you would think with the amount of decoys that we know are online right now, we have one right here in this community. 814 Predator Hunters. They actively decoy online and then they go with the camera and get the guys. They've resulted in arrests. I think six were published in the last week just by 814 alone that resulted in arrests. So why are these fucking people so stupid? How do they not know that these are decoys? You would think that this would shut them down and make this.
SPEAKER_01:If it works, let them. No, because they have to take those chances. That's the thing, is they have to take those chances because they're not going to be. It's not that they're dumb. They're it has zero to do with their level of stupidity. It is about their that desire to sexually abuse children is so great. It's no different than when you're a drug addict. I wouldn't normally go rob a store, but on drugs you will, because that urge it's outweighs your moral like balance of scales. It tips it so far in one direction that you're willing to do whatever it takes, no matter the risk. That's anytime you're engaging in that risky behavior, that's sort of that that's going to happen. It's not that they're just falling. That's why it's good that we use those because it's like it's that easy. It's that easy to catch. It's like shooting fish in a fucking barrel. It's that easy. And that's the scary part is that it's that easy because that tells you what's going on in places where it's not that easy.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So let's talk a little bit more about Roblox. Um, so the so one of the things that I loved that Sean Ryan said, and I'm fucking taking his advice. Um, Sean said that what you can do, you know, is educate. If you meet up, if you find parents who are allowing their children to be on Roblox, allowing their children to be on Minecraft, Snapchat, whatever the case may be, but specifically Roblox, and they're still letting their, they're taking that chance that their kid is may not fucking shame them. Shame them. Make them feel guilty.
SPEAKER_01:And a big part of why is because Roblox is not only did they do all that other stuff, they're profiting from this. Look at the Charlie Kirk thing. They have things on their so Roblox has like apparently has like some kind of things where you can like create sort of like an app within the app, and you can choose to like sort of go outside the normal Roblox boundaries and participate in like this other thing. One of the things is like you can reenact the Charlie Kirk assassination, whatever. But like they make money off that. Then you can buy the Charlie Kirk assassination skin, like for the character, and Roblox gets a portion of that money. So they're often 30%.
SPEAKER_00:30% purchase that was created by another application creator.
SPEAKER_02:Correct.
SPEAKER_00:Any programmer, any developer can go out to Roblox and create their own app that has in-app purchases, and Roblox is getting 30% of that. So any content that is about the Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk assassination, Roblox is profiting from pedophilia. Roblox is profiting from Charlie Kirk's death. That's why they won't shut it the fuck up. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Take the Charlie Kirk thing's just Good example, but this stuff happens with the kid things. Like they're making money off of these people, which is again why they don't want the vigil any groups. This is so like it's so sickening and manning how they're how they don't just step in. Well, I do know how because there's powerful people that are into this. How they don't just step in and take roadblocks away, period, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:So let's talk about let's talk about powerful people real quick because this is a statistic that fucking blew my mind. Blew my mind. If you had asked me this question, cold on the street interview, I would have said the Saudis. America, Americans are the number one consumer in the world of CCM. Number one.
SPEAKER_01:Well, let that sink in for I would have thought that because A, we're one of the top, like popul, you know what I mean, one of the biggest countries, but we're also the biggest in any of those things, whether it's drug use, because we have the most disposable income, this and that. So there's only a few people it could have been. But it is no surprise to me that it's the Americans. I never would have, I would have thought maybe the Russians, maybe the Russians, but I never would have imagined that it would be. I mean, I would have, because America's, it's it's that is because I see it all the time, I totally believe it. I think those numbers are probably way bigger than that.
SPEAKER_00:So here's my question then is why do we only have, I think he said what, like seven factions of resources, small factions of resources in the United States dedicated to looking at this shit? Like very small factions of people to the point. So here's here's how I know that there are people in the fucking government that are tied to this bullshit. Because when Ryan Montgomery was on Sean Ryan the first time, the first time, the fucking Homeland Security harassed and stalked Ryan Montgomery in Nashville. He was at a movie premiere, and they fucking texted him and said, We can see you, we've got eyes on you. You're harassing an American citizen who is trying to take down predators, right? Oh, for what? You could waste that resource time could have used been used for any other motherfucking thing than following Ryan Montgomery around. Any other thing, any pick one of the things that's happened in this country, and they could have spent that money on something else.
SPEAKER_01:And not only that, I think this is another point that they hammered home on. The punishments for these crimes do not fit. These this is basically, it's like he said, this is worse to me than most murders. And yet it's treated as if it's like you smoke some pot in the parking lot. It's like a slap on the wrist, and that's that.
SPEAKER_00:So now we're gonna bring up so the Charlie Kirk thing actually segues into a different piece of the puzzle, which they talked about heavily. We're gonna skim over it because um I've talked about this before. I'm an empath. So I could not watch most of this part of the segment because they were talking even slightly graphically about what is happening, and I and I just couldn't. I couldn't. Um so the the Charlie Kirk app is promoted. I don't know if it was created by, but it was promoted. So this is a whole other fucking rabbit hole of people that I've never even heard of, right? So it starts with a group called The Calm. And it's the community, but it's nicknamed is the calm. And these people are, I've encountered people from the calm in my real life. Um, they're fucking low-length asshole bitches who send SWATs to people's houses, who fucking order pieces to people's houses. Um they engage in doxing behaviors, doxing, all the bullshit, like fucking, and there's a network of them. And I know there's a network of them because I know people that I don't choose to know them, but I've encountered people who are actually part and actively participate in that bullshit. They're scum of the earth fucking losers. But from that community sparked an offshoot, um, started by a 15-year-old in Texas called the 764.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, if you look into it a little bit more though, like it like he did start, but like it's turned into this whole other thing. Like, I don't want to give that kid any credit because it's not like he like really set out to do this. It just really started kind of with him. But like, fuck that kid. But yeah, continue.
SPEAKER_00:But I will put some credit on somebody's books in the penny if they want to credit him up for me. He's in the pen right now, I believe.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_00:I'm just saying I would I would put money on somebody's books. Anyways, just turn that out there. Um, I may or may not leave it in the show. Um but yeah, so this kid started this um fucking thing, which it's like an amalgamation of things. It's it's almost like it's almost like sensationalism in and of itself, where it's like if you talk about it, you sound fucking crazy. So you like, but no, it's satanic, it's nihilist, it's um what extortion?
SPEAKER_01:To be clear, we're talking about this thing. It's called the 764 cult. That's what she's referring to. It's an offshoot, like it started kind of like she said with the some of these people that were in the calm, moved the one. You if you want to dig into that history, like I said, by all means go watch the Ryan Montgomery episode on Sean Ryan, he'll break it down for you.
SPEAKER_02:But this 764 I can't even talk about it.
SPEAKER_01:This 764 group is go researchers yourself because there's so much that like we can't even begin to possibly like tell you all the horrible things that they're doing, but basically they're involved in like extorting children. Now, this is mainly their main targets are children 9 to 17 because they're the most vulnerable and the most active on these platforms. Um, but it's like extortion, uh self-harm, suicide, and they feed these kids all this stuff and try to get them to harm themselves, harm others, harm pets, harm everything. And they do it purely for sport is essentially the best way to put it. They do it for clout and sport. Yeah, think of the worst thing.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, they're getting kids to carve screen screen names into their skin so that they don't um release the kids' nudes to their parents and family. Like it's that level of deep. They're getting they they get people to commit suicide.
SPEAKER_01:I mean Well, they trick kids too by pose, they trick kids by posing as kids, and then they trick them into thinking that they're friends and stuff, and then they sort of trick them into getting things like like you said, maybe a nude or cutting themselves or whatever, and then they can just it they steamroll that into they have guides of how to do this that they share amongst their community of how to trick and deceive and extort children. It happens to adults too, but I'm just saying, like children are. Stockholm syndrome.
SPEAKER_00:Fucking sick. Like it's sick. I can't even just yeah, I don't want to go.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was just gonna say, if you want to learn about it and find out what you want to get the gory details, go watch these other podcasts. The information is out there. Sean Rhines talked about it with Ryan McGombery, Jim Caviezel, Tim Tebow, uh, some other guy that I'm not remembering his name right now. The information's all out there. Project Sentinel, just go. It takes two seconds of research to start going down the rabbit hole. It's not hard to find. But go look out this information on the 764, because these are the people that are active. And he's guessing Ryan Montgomery, this is just a guess. 25,000 members that as a very low estimate that are active on Roblox, Instagram, TikTok. And they are evil.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, it's just it's sick. I fucking hate it.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but I mean, like, here to talk about it too.
SPEAKER_00:I know, I thought about that. I was like, we talk about it and fucking, you know, somebody gets our name and fucking starts harassing us. Harass up bitches. I got a gun underneath my bed. I'll fucking shoot them. No, I'm joking. No, but seriously, like if that's the problem. That is the problem. Is it they they bank on that? They bank on people being afraid to talk about it. They bank on people not being comfortable talking about it, they bank on people being afraid to retaliate. I'm willing to be a vigilante. I'm a smart one, so I'm not talking about murdering or harming people. I can learn how to program the way that some of these hackers do. I know enough about computers and how they work to do enough.
SPEAKER_01:Well, well, that's just it, though. They have equal, it is really is a battle of good and evil because they have just as good a people on that side in terms of like how like to do these things. But the worst part is this is where it really comes into thing is because there's powerful people involved, they're protected in a way that puts like the thing where the vigilantes get in trouble or the people defending themselves get in trouble. And that's fucked up. That's America. That happens not just with this, that happens with a lot of things. That's our screwed up justice system, but that is what it is.
SPEAKER_00:But there has to be a quote, Sean Ryan, to quote Sean Ryan, do your fucking jobs. How the fuck do you sleep at night?
SPEAKER_01:They do just fine because they continue to just make money and they're bad people and they don't have any more integrity, and that's just the bottom line. That's just all there is to it. That's just flat line, bottom line, that's all there is to it. They don't have any more integrity, and that's why we live in this screwed-up world.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Where this kind of thing flourishes.
SPEAKER_00:If I had a cause, if ever there was a cause for me to take up. Um, and to be quite clear, I was never a victim of mystium. I am just freaking. I have well, my kids are grown now, but I mean, like, I like it.
SPEAKER_01:It's like Sean Ryan said, it's the only thing that makes my skin fucking crawl. It fills me with a rage that I cannot be controlled. It because it's just like I think that's just like when something that evil is happening, you just hate it so much and think about it's just so horrible to happen to the victims. You just can't, you immediately are able to sympathize and empathize and want to protect. I think that's where it comes from is this like you immediately feel are so empathetic and sympathetic towards the victim that it fills you with this, it just boils your blood.
SPEAKER_00:Rage because they can't protect themselves.
SPEAKER_01:They can't protect themselves. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Anyone will tell you that even when I was known for being a bully in school, I was bullying the bullies. Like it's not because I would always, and obviously I've evolved and grown over the years, and I'm much calmer now and much more logical in what I'm doing. But at the end of the day, my passion has always been to give a voice to people who otherwise didn't have one. And none of this woke bullshit that's going around right now, those people all have fucking voices. They're all fucking crazy and they need a psychologist's voice to help. But that's not the people that don't have voices. But children, they don't have a fucking voice. They couldn't even articulate it if they did.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And I think, and this is a perfect place to kind of sum this up. If you want to learn more, if you want to find out more, we've talked about a hundred different places, you can go check it out. But just go start where, like we said, go check out one of these podcasts with like Ryan Montgomery. Look into uh Sound of Freedom, look into the set uh Operation Sentinel, look into any of things, look at the predator groups in your area. This stuff is easy to find. If you care and are passionate about this, go out there and do something about it. That's all I'm gonna say on that. We'll wrap up.
SPEAKER_00:And I haven't looked into the app yet, but there is an app called Bark that does the work of monitoring. So um I don't know much about it. Um, but if you are into tech and cool shit, the first like hour of the episode, Ryan does give a breakdown of some other shit that is not related to the pedo stuff, but just in general, how you could be hacked, how people are capturing you through portals, how to protect yourself from so I mean it's definitely a packed episode. We didn't even barely touch the surface of summarizing it. We just want to call attention to it so you guys get curious and go out and listen to yourselves.
SPEAKER_01:I want as many people to go out and check that stuff out as possible. Like I that if if uh anything else you've ever taken away from this podcast, just go out and research that stuff because your mind will be opened up, your mind will be blown, and you'll be on here like me sounding like a crazy person yelling about job pedophiles in the government.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's funny because you you said you watched Son Ryan all the time, and that was probably the most edgy you'd ever seen him.
SPEAKER_01:I've never seen him so fired up, dude. He's like a he was like a I'd never seen it, I never saw his eyes go dark. You know what I mean? You could tell he was back in like Navy SEAL mode at that point where he just shut off all feeling and was just like, I'm gonna go kill these motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna get it. Yeah, yeah. You could see it. Like, I'm I'm a little edgy today just because we're talking about it, but like he's absorbing it.
SPEAKER_01:Like, yeah, no, we call attention to it. So that's good.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. We're shaking it off for now because it is Thanksgiving, but obviously not for the future. We'll still bring attention to it, talk about it, bring light to it. Yes, we are getting ready to eat, but I want to talk or tease, I guess. One other rabbit hole that I went down this week. Um, so uh, full disclosure, I don't fucking read. I do not read. It's not that I can't, it's that um my brain doesn't do that anymore. Years ago, when I was trapped and didn't have the internet, I used reading as a way to get out of my life because I fucking hated my life, right? So I read all the time fantasy books like Ann Rice, VC Andrews, that shit. Like, I'm not a scholarly reader. You are. That's you. That's your job. So um I don't read books. I I read Cliff's notes to get the gist of what everybody's talking about. And um I was scrolling TikTok this week and something came up in my feed that just caused me to stop because they were talking about something that parked my ears up, right? And it was this book that I had never heard of. Um, it's called The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Green. I didn't know that I needed to read such a book. I didn't know that people were, I mean, I so, and here's the thing is the book is based off of Machiavellian principles, which are based off of other principles. So the gist, the psychological gist. So it's just like so. Remember, I was obsessed with the secret for the longest time. And the secret was just the law of attraction rewritten into modern terms, right? So I'm assuming that this book, the 48 Laws of Power, is just a version of one of those rebranded for modern times with modern there's there's um examples in it, right? But essentially the 48 Laws of Power is just a set of character traits that you could develop if you use the advice in the book. However, um they can also be they can be used for good or evil, just like anything else. A little bit of knowledge, right? Knowledge is dangerous, right? So I talk to uh I talk to Chappie all the time, right? So he knows enough about my personality, the way that my thought patterns go, the way that I process things to be able to summarize me. So I just asked him, I was like, I don't fucking feel like reading this book. How many of the laws of power do I demonstrate? Well, 10 with natural ease. Um, most people in all of humanity only display two or three of those traits innately. Anybody can take the book and learn how to be that person, right? Here's the thing: I have never not once in my entire life ever thought, hmm, I want to be in power. I don't want to be in fucking charge of anything. I want to organize shit, I want to talk about shit. I don't want to be the leader of people for any reason. I think leaders of people are why there is no personal accountability. Because if you can say, well, they told me to do it, then no, no, no, no. Um, but apparently I move through life like a powerful person, in case anybody wondered.
SPEAKER_01:Well, there you have it, folks. Where's my thing to wrap the papers and be like, well, there you have it. That's the new, and that's the bottom line.
SPEAKER_00:But um No, I just I'm interested to learn if I the only reason I'm bringing it up is because I want to hear what other people are saying about it. Like, has anybody else read it? Like, are is anybody using it in practice or principle? Or um some of the folks that I heard talking about it use it like the Bible. Like it's it, I mean, they've got dog ears and notes and I look at it like you've got a minimum.
SPEAKER_01:Like one of those things where it's like, you know, and I view all those kind of things, books like that, where it's like, these are things that like you know, that like you said, repackage sort of you know, old ideas. Because there's only so many ideas. There's only so many things, like, and they've just uh what I had something funny to say there. I don't remember what it was, but whatever. I totally forgot where I was going with that, but whatever.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, so anyway, so yeah, so um go check all the things out that we talked about 48 Laws of Power, Ryan Montgomery, Raccoon Domestication, Ambrose Beer, so word crowatoin. Go check it out. Research, let us know what you think, and as always, stay trashy.
SPEAKER_00:Stay tough. Happy Thanksgiving, guys.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, happy Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_02:Micin and laughs in the breeze, UFOs and smoking trees.
