Gilded Trash
Ride shotgun with Comedian Scott Reed and Creator AlannaB as they travel the country in search of ...what? When they figure it out, you'll be the first to know!
Gilded Trash
Yinz Didn't Move the Bodies!
Imagine being a child and nearly becoming a victim of a baby trafficking ring—sounds like something out of a thriller movie, right? We kick off this episode with the gripping tale of Scott's near miss and becoming missing. Discover how a regular grocery trip almost turned into a nightmare and the relentless efforts of family to bring him home safely. With layers of suspense and unexpected twists, this story delves into a possible Baltimore-based baby trafficking network.
Nostalgia takes the wheel next as we journey through cherished memories of horror movies and beloved childhood treasures. Our fascination with Garbage Pail Kids, family movie nights featuring "Ghost Dad" and "The Exorcist," and the game-changing arrival of Netflix make this chapter a delightful blend of laughter and reminiscence.
As we move into the realm of the paranormal, our discussion shifts to eerie tales and supernatural influences. We explore the world of horror films like "Poltergeist," childhood ghost stories, and the mystical influence of our grandmothers who dabbled in tarot and healing traditions. We also touch on the evolution of ghost hunting, the impact of psychic mediums, and the enchanting atmosphere of Lilydale, New York. With spine-chilling stories and supernatural adventures, this episode promises to leave you both captivated and spooked. Join us for a thrilling exploration of family folklore, ancient healing traditions, and the uncharted territories of the paranormal!
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Speaker 2:So last week we talked about true crime and it was actually a pretty fun episode. I really liked it.
Speaker 1:Detectives on the case.
Speaker 2:I'm still waiting for somebody to write in and give us some clues on some of those unsolved.
Speaker 1:I know I'm waiting for a murder to go solve.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need a case to work on this winter A case study but you know what we forgot to talk about in the last episode. What's that? The fact, the absolute fact that you could have been a cold case.
Speaker 1:I could have been a cold case, and we can go into that story right now because it's a good time. We do have it. It's on one of our what do we call it? The early reels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the early years. The B reels that I was releasing when we were just test recording random shit.
Speaker 1:Right. So first off, let me preface this by saying I only know this story as it's been told to me. I was too young to remember A baby. I was a baby. We're just going to throw a number out there. I don't know the exact one. We're going to say 18 months. Is that a baby?
Speaker 2:Were you walking.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't think.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing yeah, 18 months is so.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this. So Matthew wasn't born and Matthew and I are two and a half years apart, okay, so matthew wasn't born, okay, I don't know if mom was pregnant with matthew. Okay, that's a possibility. Okay, but I'm just gonna guess I'm in the 18 month range because, as we'll see, this was all under the guise of a play date, so I gotta be playing you. You know what I mean. Little infants aren't playing, right.
Speaker 2:Right, Well, I mean okay. So to give you like some context, Anthony was walking at eight months and that's early, but boys tend to trend earlier.
Speaker 1:So we'll say a year.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:At walk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a year to 18 months, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:A year to 18 months? That makes sense. A year to 18 months, that's exactly right. So, um, mom is at the grocery store. Shout out the old Martins and Wayne Heights where Tractor Supply is now.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Um, and this is the early 80s, somewhere between Mid 80s. It's the mid 80s because it's probably Um, and this is the early eighties to mid eighties. It's the mid eighties, cause it's probably 84, 84, 84.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We'll call it the winter, the early winter in January of 1984. Um, no, um, mom was at Martin, we were at Martin's. This is where the part gets fuzzy, because nobody knows this, but, mom, you know what I mean. And she doesn't talk about it At this part of the story?
Speaker 2:Did we ever ask her about it.
Speaker 1:She says it didn't happen. She says it happened, but she downplays it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to bring you on as a guest so we can talk about All the crazy shit I've done. But I heard a more.
Speaker 1:both dad and grandma told the story, but both dad and grandma have the tendency to embellish. I mean maybe, but I still so. This is but at the store only mom knew.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:At other points. Other people in the story are active in the story. So we're at the store, we're at Martin's Mom meets this lady who has a kid with her, around the same age, and somehow, through one thing or another, I ended up going home with this lady. Ended up going home with this lady and I don't know. We don't know if there was a phone number exchanged or the addresses. I don't know the exact details of this part. You know what I mean. There was some vague.
Speaker 2:Mom wasn't just going to give me to him with no address. No nothing, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:So she had something to go off of. I think it might've been an address like a specific house or something like that. Anyway, I think mom did have a phone number. The lady was supposed to call at a certain time, or mom was going to call. I don't know if, when mom tried to call, the lady wasn't answering or if, like, the phone number wasn't any good or what the deal was. Um, exactly you know how she couldn't get a hold of her. I don't know. Mom called grandma reed and mom was uh, and grandma reed was like well, you got to call the cops, lori.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And so she called the cops. She was going to call the police. Grandma hangs up the phone and says we got to get that baby back before Jimmy gets home.
Speaker 2:Because your dad was at work.
Speaker 1:Right, dad was at work. So my grandfather, who's a big dude, he steps into action and they're like we're going to find him. He steps into action and they're like we're going to find him. So I guess they heard on the police scanner that the police were going to wherever this was and I don't think they had an exact between a combination of factors of knowing what mom said and hearing what they heard on the scanner, they thought they knew where I was at. So they're like we're going to get him. We'll go ahead and mention this part is that they were involved in some kind of baby ring out of Baltimore. So Waynesboro is probably in the old days, down 140 to baltimore um, you know even today.
Speaker 1:So an hour 15 minutes, something like that. An hour and 15 minutes, hour, 20 minutes, depending on where you're going. So there was some kind of baby ring going on. I don't know how they like put this all together, but so my pap and my grandma go to look for me and my pap stops in the middle of the road, doesn't even? I don't even know if he shut the car off.
Speaker 2:Legend has it.
Speaker 1:Legend has it that he didn't even shut the car off. Grandma had to hop over in the driver's seat and put it in park. Oh okay, at least that's how I'm telling it. I don't know, but I do know that he didn't shut the car off. I mean, he didn't. He probably did pull it out of gear, but he didn't shut the car off. He just got out, didn't even shut his door. I do know that Didn't even shut his door.
Speaker 2:Middle of the road.
Speaker 1:Middle of the road. Car still running Door open Car still running door, still running door open.
Speaker 2:Probably we need to paint the scene a little bit better here for listeners, because mr reed was very tall yeah, that's why he's a very big dude.
Speaker 1:He was a drill sergeant in the army.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was a big dude I never had the chance to like six foot two he would have intimidated me like big dude. You know what I mean big he just a big guy.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Just big dude. You know what I mean. Big, he's just a big guy. You know what I mean? Just big dude. And we could sit here and talk stories of Pappy beating people up in bars, but we're not going to.
Speaker 2:Not this episode. Not this episode. We have a crazy family episode coming up and that's going to be right around Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1:These are all stories as dictated to me by Mary Reed. Obviously, I've never seen any of them in person and she was known to tell some white lies. So, regardless of any of this, pap stops, he gets out of the car, he kicks the door in, bow, like fucking, like he's the cops, you know what I mean. Like BAM Kicks the door in and gave him the old Hogan boot to the door. Boom doors down, he walks in. He says that's my grandson, you dirty kidnappers from baltimore and that's exactly how that verbatim.
Speaker 1:No, um, but he did say that's my grandson snatched me up, walks out the door. By that time I guess the cops are getting there. And uh, I always wondered too, sometimes we ventured this out there. Is that so like, say, pap and grandma don't get there, what if? Or was I young enough that maybe they didn't even know what I look like and I got switched with another kid that was pretty close to me, which I know isn't true because I've seen the pictures from when I was a little baby.
Speaker 2:No, but that's like holy shit. I never even thought of that scenario.
Speaker 1:But people could do that. It could happen If you're young enough. I mean, I think I've seen documentaries where that's happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you look way too much like your grandfather, minnick, right, right.
Speaker 1:Obviously like yeah, obviously I'm definitely in the right one.
Speaker 2:But they grabbed the right one, pat grabbed the right one.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, he wasn't going to make a mistake.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Especially not the age that I think that I was.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Like if it was an infant.
Speaker 2:that's one thing For one thing your hair was like bright orange when you were little yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe this other little boy's was too though.
Speaker 2:Little ginger ninja.
Speaker 1:Little, uh little um little, Billy Partley, that was the other little boy. No, it wasn't, you don't know what it's called. No, I don't even know Like. Obviously I don't remember, but I would like to. I wish I got Young Sheldon in it how he remembers Meemaw's brisket.
Speaker 2:I know. I thought your memory was like that, but apparently didn't start until four.
Speaker 1:It started Well, so we're talking the beginning of 84. By the end of 84,. I was remembering because I remember what I got that year for Christmas.
Speaker 2:I remember what.
Speaker 1:I got that year for Christmas. Oh okay, I got a big wheel, big foot, big wheel.
Speaker 2:And I also got the undeniable I'm going to need for you to dig into your archives and pull out the picture that corresponds with this so-called fact that he remembers from the end of 1984.
Speaker 1:Well, I also have other proof. I remember getting the Cabbage Patch doll and I have the birth certificate for that.
Speaker 2:Did you get a girl Cabbage Patch or a boy Cabbage Patch?
Speaker 1:No, you know what his name is. I have the adoption certificate somewhere in my papers.
Speaker 2:Get to papers. Get to papers.
Speaker 1:Somewhere in my papers, harry Hawk Hogan.
Speaker 2:Oh, you renamed him.
Speaker 1:Actually that wasn't 1984. That was 1985.
Speaker 2:Okay, my Cabbage Pets doll. His name was Xavier Alexander and I renamed him to Justin.
Speaker 1:I can't remember what his name was Justin Trudeau. She foresaw the future because he wasn't Canadian. Canadian Cabbage Patch.
Speaker 2:No, but he did have a shock of red hair Curly red hair, a shock of red hair. I've been into gingers since I was five.
Speaker 1:You know, what I loved when I was a kid was garbage pads. Garbage pail kids when they came out Because they had cards. That's why I liked them trading cards.
Speaker 2:I thought they were disgust. You know me, I can't. I thought they were funny. Some of them were funny. I can't. Oh, they gross me out.
Speaker 1:I don't like gross stuff, but yeah.
Speaker 2:So what are we talking about this?
Speaker 1:week. Ooh, I got the heebie-jeebies.
Speaker 2:Jeepers, creepers. I got the willies.
Speaker 1:I got the willies. Ghost Dad, ghost Dad. I did so. I remember watching Ghost Dad.
Speaker 2:What year was it?
Speaker 1:1991. No, it couldn't have been. What year did Ghost Dad come out? Let's take a look, because you can de-script all of this right out of there. Yeah, I know. So you know it might have been 90. Yeah, oh, so yeah, I was thinking backwards. Yeah, definitely, I saw it in 1991.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I was dead on.
Speaker 1:Dead on, dead on, dead on.
Speaker 2:I was dead on because I remember where I watched it so you would have been nine and ninety one right, I was in 10th grade right, I mean no no ghost dad wasn't on my radar back then. When I think I did finally watch, it is whenever one of my older two were like young, like maybe three or four dad and linda would rent movies oh yeah right like, so we.
Speaker 1:So it was just every movie that came out like eventually that was like a pg to pg-13 we would watch right, right, as a, you know, family are when movie nights, saturday nights no, if l, if Linda wasn't home, dad would, we'd watch the Exorcist. But I mean, it's not like Linda didn't know.
Speaker 2:Right, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying it like that, it's just Dad would. She didn't want to watch that, so like Dad would watch stuff scary movies with me. Dad was actually on the. He discovered Netflix.
Speaker 2:He discovered it.
Speaker 1:He was one of their very first customers and that's no lie, Like he was within the first month of them debuting their DVD exchange through the mail service, dad was like on it and they didn't even have that many movies. You couldn't even get that many good movies.
Speaker 2:You had to wait.
Speaker 1:Because the good ones were out. That's how small they were.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:And so he ended up having to get this, because it was like you would get free rentals and it was called Horror Hospital, not Whore Hospital, horror.
Speaker 2:That's a whole different movie.
Speaker 1:That's a whole different movie Horror hospital and it was like when I say B movie, I mean B of the worst kind. I think it's legendary and it was terrible. We didn't watch that much of it.
Speaker 2:We'll have to consult our B horror movie fanatics, because that's not for me. The main reason why I can't do B movies, though, is because, like there's a lot of gore in them. Remember when the kids started. The kids like watched Human Centipede.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, or what was the?
Speaker 2:other one. No, let me clarify so nobody like turns me into CPS when I say kids, they were like 16, 17. No they were 13 and 14 at the time.
Speaker 1:No, I think they were probably even older than that. Is Christian the same age as Olivia?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So how old was she when we lived in Winber?
Speaker 2:Christian was born in May and Olivia was born in June.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, they have 15. 15. Disgusting in May and Olivia was born in June. Yeah, so yeah, they have 15, 15, but um but I am what they can.
Speaker 2:I'm called an empath, so when I see violence on TV, when I see gore on TV, my body physically feels it to pain levels. So, yeah, I don't fuck with that.
Speaker 1:What was the one where the lady had teeth in her vagina? Vagina dentata no that's what the disease was called, but these kids are running around our house for a week talking about vagina dentata. Remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't remember what movie it was.
Speaker 1:Was it Hole or something? No, it was called, like I have to know Mouth, maybe Teeth, I think. Maybe Teeth, I think it was called teeth Teeth Vagina dentata. Yeah, that is. That's exactly what it was. It came out in 2007.
Speaker 2:And let me just tell you, the more that you tell your teenagers you do not want to hear anything about it, the more they describe it in absolute, fucking great detail.
Speaker 1:Vagina dentata.
Speaker 2:But what is? What's your favorite scary movie?
Speaker 1:Right, no I can't say it.
Speaker 2:I can't say it like that, but what is your favorite scary movie?
Speaker 1:Mmm, I mean, that's a little question.
Speaker 2:Oh, you could do the voice, do it, try it. What voice the scream? Voice, are you crazy? Oh, what voice the scream voice.
Speaker 1:Are you crazy? Oh, that's literally the line from the screen. I don't know if I can. Yeah, I don't know if I can. Hello, no, I can't.
Speaker 2:What's your favorite I?
Speaker 1:can't do it. Hello Sydney, what's your favorite? I see it Now that sucks. That's terrible.
Speaker 2:It sounds like an old man from Pittsburgh that needs oxygen. Old man from Pittsburgh that needs oxygen. No, I can't Stop it. I can't, don't do it. Okay, what's your favorite scary movie? So yeah, like, what is your favorite scary movie?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Let's see, I mean, it's so many.
Speaker 2:I know there's so many good ones.
Speaker 1:And it depends on what level, Like I mean.
Speaker 2:I have one. I have one.
Speaker 1:I have one, absolute.
Speaker 2:It's the only one. I could watch it every single day. I love it. It still scares me.
Speaker 1:Hocus Pocus.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm terrified by Hocus.
Speaker 1:Pocus Halloween.
Speaker 2:Town. Yes, it's so scary. Whenever they all, I don't even remember what happens in that one. I do love it, but those are oh my God, I love all those fun movies.
Speaker 1:That's Halloween, yes, that's Halloween, which is a paranormal which is coming up, which is kind of why we're doing this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all. There's so much in this genre that you could talk about like movies, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is probably why we're going to do two episodes about this because we're going to forget enough in this one that we're I have to run it all back and talk about it.
Speaker 2:I have an agenda and he's ADHD. I'm ADHD, right.
Speaker 1:But we know so much about it. There's so much about it which will bring to already talking about my grandma.
Speaker 2:Let's finish one subject.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I know, but I thought that was the very first thing I was trying to lead us back to there.
Speaker 2:Oh no, it's not in order. Oh okay, it's whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 1:Right on. So my favorite scary movie and I'll tell you this, you can come right to there. Thank you, no, so my favorite scary movie there's so many, I mean just flat out scary probably Halloween.
Speaker 2:That is a good scary movie Like just flat out scary, probably Halloween. That is a good scary movie Like just flat out scary movie.
Speaker 1:Now there's movies that I like, that I think are scarier but for a whole different, like psychological reasons.
Speaker 2:I love a good psychological thriller. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like the Exorcist or something that makes you think about something.
Speaker 2:Well, there's other movies that aren't even like, related to paranormal.
Speaker 1:That are psychological thrillers, like Crush oh right, right, oh yeah, I mean where you're just like what um?
Speaker 2:what's that one with um denaro on the boat?
Speaker 1:cape fear cape fear right, right, but that's not paranormal. No, it's not, so we'll talk about that another day.
Speaker 2:My favorite scary movie of all time ever is poltergeist.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Poltergeist, that's definitely All of it. I think I would have to like most things. I can't pick a favorite and shit, oh, but I could do a top five, probably.
Speaker 1:And I might have some honorable mentions, but yeah, no, poltergeist is definitely in my top five. That and I might have some honorable mentions, but yeah, no, poltergeist is definitely in my top five. That's why I brought that up. Yeah, it's not my, is it my? It could be my favorite, it depends on the day, right, but it's definitely one that I love and I remember just watching those movies as a kid. That's. The other thing, too, is watching scary movies. As a kid, we watched a lot of stuff when my parents weren't home.
Speaker 2:Of course. So like that's how.
Speaker 1:I saw a lot of these and that makes it extra scarier when you're 10 and you're putting in poltergeist.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, cause I'm pretty sure that, like the first time I ever saw the first nightmare on Elm street. I was babysitting my brother and sister and we're all relatively we're like all year apart, not even um. So that was fun, because that's the time that I tried to sneak up on amber and scare and she turned around and punched me right in the face. It was nightmare on elm street.
Speaker 1:We were watching um, well, the dad used to do that to us all anytime we watch anything scary, go to bed then after the play on lingonore, the bat the hallway so, like dad, would constantly be hiding like in one of the doorways or outside the bathroom anytime we watch anything, I would hate it.
Speaker 1:I would hate it and um, yeah, we, um, he would get us. Good, that came from a long. He had a long history of trying to scare his brothers. They all used to do that on the mountain to each other. I mean. So I would say Exorcist Poltergeist, exorcist 3, which I said. It's not really a sequel to the Exorcist, but it was written by William Peter Blady and directed by William.
Speaker 2:Friedkin, is it Blady or Bladdy?
Speaker 1:Bladdy, I said it wrong Made by the same people, whereas the Exorcist 2 has nothing to do with anything. They weren't involved Linda Blair's in it and it is sort of a supposed sequel.
Speaker 2:It's horrible. I mean it's just horrible. It feels like horrible acting compared to the first one too. The.
Speaker 1:Exorcist, because Blatty was involved, because freaking was involved and the book stands up too.
Speaker 2:So the book is the direct sequel to the Exorcist.
Speaker 1:Legion is the name of the book, for anybody that's wondering. And it is a great story because it's, like you know, the serial killer that can jump bodies in time and all that stuff. It's almost kind of like the movie. There's a movie with Denzel Washington, john Goodman, where it's like a killer that can jump through bodies. What's the name of that?
Speaker 2:Sliver. No, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, not thinner Something man Fallen. I know exactly what you're talking about. Not thinner something man.
Speaker 1:Fallen.
Speaker 2:Fallen that's a good movie that's fucking scary, though I can watch that speaking of. I can watch that but like, when you're thinking about paranormal stuff, do you consider so? For example, what's that one movie where they like premonition? Those kinds of movies you wouldn't really think of them as paranormal. But that's the world that I live in, Like I, I have a very I have a lot of weird theories on ghosts and what they actually are and it all kind of ties to energy, Right. So I mean mean it could all.
Speaker 1:it's all the same realm for me yeah, I mean, and so it's like yeah, I mean definitely, but as far as and not so much movies. But I loved books like stephen king, you know anything that was related to the paranormal. So stephen king, or like what's that other guy, dean Kuntz, which is like kind of paranormal-ish stuff, but that's all fiction. But then I like nonfiction, scary stuff too. Amityville Horror Ooh, yes, that book terrified me.
Speaker 2:That is yeah, I love that book.
Speaker 1:On an afternoon, sunday one day, sunday one day, linda had all these hardback books. Mm-hmm, Sunday one day, linda had all these hardback books and it terrified me in the dining room and so I would be, you know, oh, my god, yeah, amity Vilhar really really got me. But, yeah, but because of I had this love of all that kind of ghost, ghost and ghouls and goblins. Because of grandma reed, because she was just always telling us ghost stories, always telling us witch stories, always telling us, you know, all kinds of stuff I love it.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about our grandmothers, but but yeah, no, I'm just saying, that's how I got into it.
Speaker 2:So well, and it it's flipped sides of the coin for us, because my grandmother was also very into the paranormal, but she died when I was like four. Five, mate, four. So well, she was a legendary tarot card reader in and around the community. Legendary, legendary. They even did a write-up in the paper. About how good she was yeah, the Somerset Daily American or whatever did a write-up in.
Speaker 1:They're like there's this scary fucking lady up there in Johnstown, dude, She'll tell you your future.
Speaker 2:First of all, she was in Wimber at the time.
Speaker 1:Well, there's a scary lady up in Wimber that'll tell you your future. There's a scary lady up in Wimber that'll tell you your future.
Speaker 2:So what she did?
Speaker 1:I picture her being scary looking though. Um let me tell you what I picture. She's very very, like a, very I picture like a gypsy, Like you would imagine like a.
Speaker 2:yeah she was Irish, though she was half Irish and half German. She looked nothing like any of that Right, but I just picture her like as like a stout lady. No.
Speaker 1:No, a little tiny lady.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, really.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Hmm, I picture her more like a linebacker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know All of her sons were linebackers, that's for sure, but that came from their dad.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm not psychic, so You're not psychic.
Speaker 2:No, she was. I mean, she did carry some weight on her later in life because she drank right Heavily, Heavily, Heavily Heavily. That was like her downfall. But the reason what they wrote in the paper about her was that one of her clients called her from California and was like um, I will choose to believe you if you can walk me through my home and tell me what my home looks like. And my grandmother told her, down to the color of the curtains, what her house looked like.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:So it said in the paper. I don't know Cause, I never knew her, um, but so I grew up with that kind of air of mystique in my life where when I turned like 12, right, and I'm starting to get ready to rebel because, remember, I was an anarchist when I was younger, so then it's like that every book that I could take out of the library was on witches and ghosts and all of that.
Speaker 2:Witches and bitches brew yes, yes, and I surrounded myself with the friends that wanted to like look into that stuff. So it was. I mean, from a very early age I've been kind of really into it well, see, so for me.
Speaker 1:So grandma. So I had two older cousins and, well, one that was particularly not that much older, but like five or six years, so like teenager, when I'm like a younger kid and like him and all his friends would always come to grandma and she'd be telling them stories because they were like going around exploring. So I'm just like listening to all this, like you know and where you grew up.
Speaker 2:To be fair, there's so much paranormal history in that area. There's lots.
Speaker 1:Paranormal history. Welcome to this episode of Paranormal History. Down the lane where my grandma lived there was a Civil War soldier and he would walk out every day.
Speaker 2:Don't tell the whole story like that.
Speaker 1:I love that story.
Speaker 2:I mean, I could sit here and just tell grandma Reed stories, for like that I love that story. I mean I could sit here and just tell Grimal Reed stories for you, I know, but the fun part about that story is, just like murder tourism, we also do ghost tourism, we do movie tourism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we do ghost tourism.
Speaker 2:So we've seen the steps where the exorcist was.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's not really, though. That's movie tourism, that's not paranormal.
Speaker 2:No movie tourism. But talking about paranormal tourism is we're talking about this story that your grandmother used to tell, and then we took the kids up there to see if we could kind of the Steelman's.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking about Steelman Marker I was talking about at her house. Oh, I was talking about the Civil War soldier that was buried at the bottom of the lane.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know about that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so everybody kept seeing this soldier multiple people and they'd be like who's that standing down there?
Speaker 2:Wait at the house that she lived in last or when she was younger?
Speaker 1:No, no, she's lived on the mountains since she was not down there, not in her home place.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, so at her house yeah.
Speaker 1:At her house.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:They, they would see it standing down like at the lane or whatever. And then so they went down there and they were like digging up or whatever, and they supposedly, supposedly they were digging up, and they got to a large rock like kind of like a marker, and then they heard Pap coming up the lane, so they hurried up and like covered it all up. And that was that they also saw. There was also a story at Penmar Park where her, when she was a kid, her and Aunt Betty well, because you remember, they lived next door.
Speaker 2:Shout out to your Texas cousins. They lived, we're coming to Austin soon, guys. They're not down there. They'll meet us in Austin.
Speaker 1:They, and so the house that she lived in as a kid, though not her home place, but where she was, like I'm going to say, eight, when they moved from there to the mountain.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then the house that she the rest of the way was where Chicken's trailer was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then they bought that house next door when her and Pap got married. When her and pap got married, but her and Betty, when they were kids, were down by Penmar park and they were running in the woods or whatever. And they seen these other kids and so they were like running up that way to like see if they could play with them, or whatever. And when they got closer they ran through them and they were like little Indian kids.
Speaker 2:Shut your filthy face.
Speaker 1:That's what I've been told. So they're at that house, the Civil War soldier at the house. But then no, what you were talking about earlier, steelman Marker, which is legitimate. You can go.
Speaker 2:There's an actual monument In between.
Speaker 1:Waynesboro and Emmitsburg.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Waynesboro, blue Ridge. Summit in Emmitsburg.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Like kind of outside of Fairfield. It technically, I think, is a Fairfield address.
Speaker 2:Wimbledon.
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Speaker 1:He was the original horseman and my grandma said that you could hear like you would see him and stuff like when she was a kid, when she would be at her grandma's house. Now, speaking of her grandma's house, now her grandmother, her Grandma Hall, the one whose house I'm talking about, grandma hall was the one that was supposedly like the source of all the witchcraft, all the witchcraftery and a couple stories that I heard about grandma. And grandma hall was kind of like your grandma in the sense that she was very much known in the community for being a healer or whatever you want to call it here's what's crazy about that too is that and and we watched that documentary earlier on the salem witches is that these women were religious like my grandmother was devout Eastern Orthodox.
Speaker 1:Now see, that's not what they—.
Speaker 2:Well, she was raised Catholic and then she converted to Eastern Orthodox. But it's the same thing One can get married, one can't.
Speaker 1:No, we were sinners.
Speaker 2:So wait, your grandmother Hall was not religious.
Speaker 1:No, no, from what I understand— I thought she read Bible passages. I mean she— Bible passages, I mean she. No, not that I remember any stories about that. I'm not going to say that she didn't, but somebody a bride correct me, she might've been religious, who knows.
Speaker 2:Oh my, oh, oh my. Burlap family's screaming right now their family.
Speaker 1:None of those people on that side side of the family ever were. You know what I mean. I don't ever remember that any of them like being a part of religion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1:I never heard of that. Now, the paps family?
Speaker 2:well yeah, but grandma's family, your paps family comes from a line of preachers, right he was a pre, his dad was a preacher.
Speaker 1:But grandma's family I don't ever remember religion being well. They were like old hillbillies man. They didn't need that shit. They had real problems. They didn't have food to eat um nature was their religion well, but that's what I was getting at is, grandma hall was really like a healer. You know what I mean, and I'm sure that they probably were religious in the sense of, like you know, people say that they're religious in the sense of like people would say they were religious today, whereas they didn't go to church every sunday, but right, I'm sure that they double click the mouse um, I'm sure that they probably they would never tell anybody if they didn't exactly believe that, because that's not what you did back then, or whatever.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, but yeah, but no, I don't ever remember they weren't like devil worshippers.
Speaker 1:No, no, nothing like that. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that there was no real religious side passed down there was no history.
Speaker 2:Could it be that they were part of the ancient pagan tribe that never accepted Christianity?
Speaker 1:I mean, they very well could have been.
Speaker 2:What's their ancestry? What region are they from? Germany, there's some good Germanic tales. We're going to have to look that up for next time. There's a lot.
Speaker 1:They were Odin worshippers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's where folklore comes from. That's where a lot of that shit comes from. The fucking Brothers Grimm shit comes the fucking brothers graham.
Speaker 1:that's all fatty tales, yeah, um, yeah, german mostly um.
Speaker 2:They were the yeah, my grandmother, that was my. She was half german, half irish. Magic, yeah, yeah that old german they were from somewhere in the black forest speaking of old german magic, remember we need, I need a cough syrup recipe and it comes from the pine trees somehow, and only germans know how to make it.
Speaker 2:And I need the recipe, please and thank you, remember barb was telling us her german mother oh mother made that cough syrup and it was only when certain trees were in season and it was only certain parts of the tree. It wasn't the bud, it wasn't the sap.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I want to go back.
Speaker 2:Ancient German healing is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to get back to Great Grandma here now, before I forget this. Don't let me forget people the story that I'm saying. Yeah, I want to get back to great grandma here now, before I forget this, don't let me forget people the story that I remember most Now, like I said, great grandma was not great grandma, great great. It was my grandma's grandma. So, whatever, that is Three greats, yeah Three greats.
Speaker 1:The greatest, it was my grandma's grandma, the greatest grandma I misspoke, the greatest grandma I misspoke I apologize the greatest grandma. How great was she? The greatest?
Speaker 2:As far back as the greats will go.
Speaker 1:Grandma Hall. So one time this guy got in a farming accident Like a piece of farming equipment, I don't know what Some kind of thing Ripped him up. I think it was too early to be tractors, so it was probably something pulled by.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but regardless.
Speaker 1:He had some kind of real bad injury to his abdomen and he was like cut up, real bad and bleeding, and she told the people, like the other people there, to drag him up into the yard. She had a peach tree there or a pear tree peach or pear, I don't remember which. Definitely one of those two, definitely a pea. She also had a talking crow.
Speaker 2:I want a crow.
Speaker 1:so bad she had a crow that talked and it would steal thimbles and stuff and steal her thimbles and take them and hide them.
Speaker 2:But regardless of any of that, I want to teach one to talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, this one showed up talking from what I understand, so somebody else must have had it trained and it got away and it came to Grandma Hall.
Speaker 2:That's a little spooky too, as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's how powerful. Maybe another witch sent it to her, right? Maybe, yeah. So anyway, this guy's cut up real bad. They drug him up under the peach pear tree. That's how special that tree was. It grew peaches and pears. Now, um, and she will like waved her hand, she like did something or whatever, and like waved her hand over him and as she took her hand over him, all the bleeding stopped and they were able to like get him bandaged up and get him to the hospital or whatever, and I guess he lived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she cauterized it with the heat coming out of her hand With the heat, coming out of her hand With the light she had, like a.
Speaker 2:I believe it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah so that's the story about her.
Speaker 2:There was a very similar story about Grandma Barlip, but she read pages from the Bible to do her healing.
Speaker 1:I think that's the devil. No, I'm kidding, it's just funny.
Speaker 2:No, I think that that definitely.
Speaker 1:I'm friends with alistair crowley, so check out his tiktok.
Speaker 2:No, the the most healing thing that I've ever heard my grandmother had done was uh, so the it's an old irish thing and it has something to do with potassium. But basically she took a potato, cut a cross into it I've heard of this Rubbed it all over my mother's wart and then the wart fell off, like a day later or something. Oh, my mom had to bury the potato, then Bury it, so I don't know, with her firstborn, and then the wart went away. That's how serious those people took warts.
Speaker 2:I'm her firstborn. That I know of. So that's what you think.
Speaker 1:Rumble Potato Skins took the other one. You never met.
Speaker 2:Sarah, Statistically it's a boy, so you never met. My brother Nick Right. Yeah, statistically it's a boy. So, uh, you never met brother nick right. Yeah, um god, I'm starting rumors, I've done all the dnhs.
Speaker 1:Um, what were we talking about? Oh, some healing powers of our grandmother. Healing powers of grandmothers yes, yes, so then.
Speaker 2:So I went through this phase and now I think I want to get back in. No, I'm joking. So I decided to study. My whole family is crazy. So not Miami, mike, but my uncle Al. He believed Al.
Speaker 1:Bundy no.
Speaker 2:Al Skaboski.
Speaker 1:Al Bundy, al Skaboski.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Al Skaboski.
Speaker 1:Al Skaboski.
Speaker 2:Al Skibo. He believed, firmly believed, and I probably have some old emails printed out that he could. What's that called when? When you leave your body while you're sleeping? Astral project Astral project.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my grandma believed that she could too. She told me some stories. Yeah, I don't know. I, you know, I take all this with a grain of salt. I don't know. I mean in the sense of like some of the things are weird that they tell you Like, so it's like't know what to think right.
Speaker 2:It's like well, and that's a perfect segue into what I was about to say about all that I got something on me, is that? So I decided to study self-hypnosis and basically the whole gist of self-hypnosis was later revealed in three wonderful movies called the Matrix one, two and three. But it's like the power of your subconscious mind to hold thought. So you can think something with your conscious, but your subconscious could also be thinking at the same time and you cannot do something that's out of sync with your subconscious. And you cannot do something that's out of sync with your subconscious. So when you're practicing self-hypnosis, you try to move a ball and you're trying to get your subconscious mind to as much as you can tell yourself all day long I can move this ball, but until you get your subconscious mind to believe that you're moving the ball, it will stop the ball from moving.
Speaker 1:And I've done it.
Speaker 2:Like I've seen the ball wiggle and then, as soon as, like my subconscious, kicks in and it's like that's not real.
Speaker 1:It stopped moving, so it's so then Kind of like the floor in poltergeist.
Speaker 2:That's exactly it, like it's all kind of interrelated. All and poltergeist. That's exactly it, like it's all kind of interrelated. All the energies, all the things. I think they're all controlled by our brain somehow and we just don't really know, right?
Speaker 1:that's the thing is. I just don't think we have a full understanding of how everything works right and so like something seemed crazy right when in reality what did people think rain?
Speaker 2:was 10,000 years ago.
Speaker 1:Water falling from the sky.
Speaker 2:Right, but did they think that it was the gods pissing on them? They thought it was Jesus tears. They did, they probably did, they probably told their kids it was Jesus tears. That's.
Speaker 1:God crying.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:God crying, thunder, god bowling, yeah Lightning. That's God doing something. He's angry. That's God doing something he's angry, he's angry.
Speaker 2:You just sounded like Saul when you said that God's angry at me. What?
Speaker 1:else, though, there was other things Rainbows. God loves you.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:What else? Everything was God.
Speaker 2:Until science had a definition for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just look at the gods of like older religion, like you know Greek stuff and all that they have like a God for everything. Everything that nature does they had a God for it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And over time we got you know back to grandmas.
Speaker 2:Back to grandmas. Where were we? Back to grandmas? Back to grandmas when were we.
Speaker 1:Your grandma was known as a. She did the wart thing, basically.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was the most healing thing she did was the healing of my mother's wart. But, like I said, she was renowned is there were people who, after my grandmother died, there were people in my mom's extended family and other people in my mom and dad's circle because they had a lot of friends when we were younger that they ran around with um, that all had a reading from my grandmother or knew somebody that had a reading from my grandmother. So like my hair is doing crazy shit, sorry. So like my one, it's my, it's my uncle's sister-in-law. Every time she sees me she just grabs my hands and tells me I know you have the gift, grabs my hands and tells me I know you have the gift.
Speaker 2:And it's funny, cause like I like I don't like talking about it, like unless I'm in a very close and private setting of people that I love because I do have some type of intuition and I never honed the skills. So it works when it wants to, it doesn't when it doesn't and it zaps my energy because I'm also bipolar and partially, probably autistic, so like it just drains everything out of me to do a reading. But I love doing them when I'm on and I've been successful at doing readings before I mean, you know, I've, I've, I've never like whatever comes out of my mouth. I don't like pre-think it, I just let whatever's going to come out of my mouth come out of my mouth and sometimes it's not made sense to the person. Sometimes it's been so descriptive that I've made the person cry Like, and then I feel like a counselor, which I never wanted to be.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that's part of what that is, though I think that goes hand in hand. You can't tell people about their life. You can't tell people about their life and not you know what I mean. You're telling personal details, of course.
Speaker 2:It kind of becomes almost like a um, like a therapy type thing right, but the problem with that kind of therapy is that they a lot of people walk in and they have something very specific that they want to know about their future.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, or going on in their life psychics don't technically predict the future that's clairvoyance right, it's is it no, I it no. I'm just saying I don't know when you see something that's. Yeah, we talked about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's like different ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I should have looked those up, I know Next time.
Speaker 2:I have the nose one Next episode. So, like I have a hypers in history, one time I smelled your grandmother in my car. Well, yeah, yeah, that was insane and it was at a very well, that's. The other thing I want to bring up, too, is that, if you think about it and they try to say that this only happens with poltergeist, but when paranormal activity happens, there are heightened emotions.
Speaker 1:I was getting ready to say. It seems to be triggered by heightened emotions, of any kind, it doesn't really matter, like it just feeds off that but you can tie it right into the secret, which is my favorite book of all time ever.
Speaker 2:And it's not because the people that wrote it were brilliant. The secret has been around since the dawn of time. People have understood that positive thoughts lead to positive things and it's the intent behind your thoughts and all this, that and the other. But you can't get the secret to work without the energy of your emotions behind it. You have to attach emotions and feelings and feel what you want, not just say what you want, Cause if you're detached again your subconscious, if you're detached it, it just doesn't work out in your favor or you get what you don't want because it just hears the words the universe, it being the universe. So all that wrapping around to what we were just talking about is uh, Our grandmothers.
Speaker 2:Right. Is that in in doing a reading, I'm getting the person's emotional energy at the moment Like I'm feeling their emotional energy Right and when I?
Speaker 1:you're reading them.
Speaker 2:Yes, and when I feel despair, it's like I can't even, like, uh, I despair, it's like I can't even. It drains the shit out of me. A lot of it's fun, though. I like doing it when people are drunk at parties because their expectations are different. They're giddy. They just want to know if they're getting laid later. Those are fun. I can do those. But if they want to know what the next five years of their life is going to be, or should they dump their current boyfriend, that's not what I want.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right yeah. What the hell did I? I don't even remember.
Speaker 2:I know there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 1:But going into like personal stories, I'll share my one personal. Like I mean, I've gone looking a lot, lot we talked about that a lot of ghost hunts, a lot of stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, and I've heard weird noises, had some weird experiences, but nothing really great, nothing that you would be, nothing that you haven't seen on an episode of ghost hunters, nothing so crazy that I'm like this is you know unbelievable right but so we lived in waynesboro on south potomac street.
Speaker 1:We I had been here the one night. I was home by myself and I was kept hearing this old-timey music and I mean I looked everywhere for this and I, upstairs, downstairs, in the basement, I walked outside I wouldn't hear it anymore, but I could hear it from inside the house. I asked the neighbors if they were playing. No, they didn't have anything like that going on, but it was like the old, like ragtime like, and the house closest to us on that side of the house was abandoned.
Speaker 1:So there was nobody on that side of us, so it wasn't like I said, though when I walked outside I couldn't hear it. Well, I didn't tell anybody about it because it didn't, I just chalked it up to whatever. And then we were talking about, we were sitting there with our daughter talking about she had seen something weird upstairs or heard something I don't remember the exact scenario and you brought up that you'd been hearing old timey music, and I started crying immediately because I was sad, because I was like what is happening right now? But I mean, we never did find the source of it, but that freaked me out big time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was definitely like. It felt like a party was going on in the 1940s and you just couldn't get close to it Right.
Speaker 1:There was a speakeasy in the walls.
Speaker 2:Right in the walls. Oh God, I love that kind of stuff, though my scariest story is a little tiny bit longer and it's the scariest one. I mean, we all have a million right, but this one is the scariest one ever for me and that's why I wanted to foreshadow the whole emotional part of this. So I was living by myself, um, with the kids, on North grant street, and at the time I was going through a divorce from my first husband and we were like on again, off again, because I was young and stupid and I had two kids Right, so whatever, but he was a serial cheater.
Speaker 2:So, he would leave and come back and he had the key to my apartment, but it was my apartment, I was working, I was paying my own bills, whatever. But every once in a while he would show up because that's just what we did. So but I was so angry and emotional and just probably had some postpartum, and so the character in the Mayfair Witches is Lasher and he's like some type of Slasher no, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know. No.
Speaker 2:But he's like some kind of demon or ghost or Right, I don't even know what he is.
Speaker 1:He's an entity of some kind.
Speaker 2:He's some type of paranormal Otherworldly entity, yes, or I don't even know what he is an entity of some kind, some type of paranormal entity. Yes, and his whole thing is that he, like, attaches to the women in these, in this family of witches, and does their bidding for them, and that's how the family is the worst, I know bidding is the worst, especially if you got a demon doing it for you.
Speaker 2:buddy, so me being a dumb, fucking 20 year old, stupid, naive dummy, decides that I'm going to call upon Lasher to do my bidding Cause. I thought I was a witch, so heightened emotional state doing spells in my house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the bad shit, all the bad shit. So I go to sleep one night and um, anth was in his room and olivia was in her crib, so like they were like the entryway into their rooms was like off to my left, it was like just through the next door, and then the bathroom was behind my head and I'm laying there and I thought I had just fallen asleep and I heard my door open up and I heard click, click, click, because X has been more cowboy boots right. Oops, no, I thought I was the cowboy boots.
Speaker 2:So X has been sit on the bed bed, and I was like you know what this motherfucker is getting here a little late tonight. I'm not even going to entertain him, I'm going to just keep my back to him and ignore him, like he can just go to sleep. Felt the weight of him laying down on the bed, felt the weight of them laying down on the bed. I turn to lay on my back and I am now pinned with the weight of a thousand people on me, like I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe, I couldn't talk. I was terrified and all I saw was this black mist, but in the shape of a human ish hovering above me. Now they're referred to as what night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's similar to what you're saying, but that doesn't involve entities and stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, but so I was like. I couldn't say, I was like and and like. Just trying to get my son to hear me, by the grace of God, I couldn't even hear my own words saying it. He got out of bed, fucking, cute as can be in his little pajamas, sucking his thumb, dragging his blanket behind him, crawls up in bed with me and says, mom, what's wrong? I was, oh, jesus christ. And then, like the thing flew up to the ceiling and was gone, gone. I've never been more terrified right. And then for the whole next week there was a tree right outside my kitchen window filled with starlings just constantly say it was tapping on the window, like no no, no starlings, no, no, no Starlings.
Speaker 2:And then, like a day after the Starlings came, there was a whole episode on Ricky Lake of paranormal shit and I was like a Ricky Lake fanatic.
Speaker 1:Yes, nice.
Speaker 2:Well, I worked in the evening, so like during the day I like laid around and just watched fucking talk TV all day, yeah, laid around and just watched fucking talk tv on there.
Speaker 1:well, there was nothing else on.
Speaker 2:I mean, the kids were young, they were like two and three.
Speaker 1:So we shout out montel williams we would do crafts.
Speaker 2:We would do crafts in the living room while I was watching ricky lake and montel. What up?
Speaker 2:montel always had psychics on there sylvia brown yeah, I was obsessed with her and I was so sad that some of her stuff was debunked. I still feel like, again, this is not like you can just turn it off and turn it on. Some psychics I believe are very psychic and I think that they get to a point where they have so much fame that they feel like they have to be on all the time and so they make shit up.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean, that seems right. Both things can be true, Right.
Speaker 2:They can both be psychic and full of shit.
Speaker 1:Right, that's exactly. That's, exactly that's.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna guess that psychics are like every other group of people 90 percent fucktards, 10 percent good legitimate, good, real deal, and I would venture to guess that even tyler henry doesn't have 100 successful readings every single time.
Speaker 1:who? Who could Right? What are you doing? Anything that you do. Even the best football players aren't good 100% of the time.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Every skill that you have is never going to be always on.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's why that's another reason why. So I mean, there was probably about 10 years ago you were in very grave danger of being the husband of another Teresa Caputo Cause I just walk up to people and start talking to them, never telling them that I was psychic, but when I feel somebody's energy that's off, I like to try to make them happy or say something nice or give like a little, and a lot of times that like I get like in return, like I really needed that right in this moment and I feel that I'm getting a little emotional even saying it. But um whoo Cause I just remembered when this episode is going to drop.
Speaker 1:Oh, right Right.
Speaker 2:Speaking of psychics.
Speaker 1:Speaking of psychics, speaking of mediums.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Speaking of mediums specifically.
Speaker 2:Specifically.
Speaker 1:There's a little tiny hamlet in New York State called Lilydale, new York. We first saw it on an HBO documentary. Go check it out, it's on Max.
Speaker 2:I think it's just called Lilydale, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's a town that formed after the spiritualist movement back in the like. Western new york was very like, that's like where mormonism comes from like all in the from like 1850 to like 1900, there was a lot of like. That's where the seventh day adventist came from mormonism, uh christian science.
Speaker 2:That's what they're spiritualists, that's what I was trying to get.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I thought christian science was like indiana or something well, they're.
Speaker 2:So. The lilydale assembly is a christian-based assembly, but they are. They're not unit. They're not universal unitarianism, that's not. But they are. They're not unit, they're not universal Unitarianism, that's not what they are. They, they're a Christian sect.
Speaker 1:Right, that's open to. Right, that's how the spiritualist movement was. They believe in communication with spirits, yada, yada, yada. Yes, lily Dale is the world. I mean maybe it's not anymore, but during the time of the documentary I'm sure it still is a town with the world's most highest concentration of psychic mediums living in one town. Yes, I mean that's basically all the town is. Is that?
Speaker 2:Right Like. In order to live there, you must be a member of the Lilydale.
Speaker 1:Assembly Right.
Speaker 2:And then you can buy a house there, because it's like an hoa basically, and it's so quaint it feels very um very.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of victorian mansions it almost feels like a uh, like a time, like a a time capsule.
Speaker 1:It does like frontier town, but like of that of a different era like, but it's. It puts you in the mind of like a town that's set up to be like it's from whatever. But they also have like a lot of history there about the spiritualist movement through the ages, yada, yada, yada. But you, so you can go there and learn stuff you can make, you know, you can talk to the different psychics, but they have I don't remember like twice a day. We'll say they have two services where you go to like this big outdoor church kind of thing.
Speaker 2:I like to refer to it as a grotto, like that's what it feels like it's.
Speaker 1:It's an outdoor, it's in a grove the things are made out of the trees right, it's also located in like one of the oldest growth, oldest old growth forest in the North America Eastern, no, in the Eastern United States. Oh, okay, right, because out west they got all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So in the Eastern United States it's one of the oldest old growth forests.
Speaker 2:So if you're like, and these trees are humongous, and they're beautiful and that's where this is. You're like, right it's in this forest. It's kind of magical it's very magical because it's all very natural. The homes don't look modern, so they blend right into the setting. It sits on the tip of lake erie, so it had or, yeah, it's on a, it's on a lake.
Speaker 1:It's on a lake but not like it's about. It's like a hundred miles inland from Lake Erie. That lake is called um.
Speaker 2:Casadegua.
Speaker 1:No, I'll have to look it up, but it sits on a lake, a smaller lake. But it's just like so it feels like I should have a top.
Speaker 2:Good day sir yes, how are you doing there? Little chucky yes and um top of the morning.
Speaker 1:There's so much to do there.
Speaker 2:So they have like events all the time. They have um seminars, they have drum circles, they have spiritual like just services, like anything you could of. They have one or two bed and breakfast there. You can camp there if you are in a primitive camping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so anyways it's a really cool spot.
Speaker 1:I guess all that still applies. It's been a few years since we checked it out.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So I mean, obviously do your own research, but we went there.
Speaker 2:We went there. We went there, and so let me give you the preface is that on September 19th, which is today's date only 14 years ago Um, my no, it's not today's date.
Speaker 1:The day is going to be released.
Speaker 2:My Atlanta baby.
Speaker 1:Um, I was like damn.
Speaker 2:I was like damn. My son, who was 16 at the time, passed away in a car accident. We'll call it, and so that was a super highly charged, obviously emotional, time in our lives. I do have a TikTok video if you want to learn how mushrooms healed from that, um. But so how long after ants died did we go up to lilydale?
Speaker 1:it was a couple years it was, so I'll tell you exactly when it was. It was 2016 because we went to see ghostbusters first, the female one ah, yeah, we did.
Speaker 2:Oh right, because this crazy lady was like hey guys, we're going to the drive-in movie and then, by the way, as soon as we pull out, we're driving to new york.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, so we went up there and uh, it was. So we went to the this I forget what they called it, but like the gathering at night, like they did in the evening, and we went to that and at these. So they'll just have a couple of mediums that will read people in the crowd. Cold read from the crowd Cold read people from the crowd and some of them were amazing. Some of them were like holy shit, these people are really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Some of them weren't so good, right, you know what I mean. Some of them were like holy shit, these people are really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some of them weren't so good.
Speaker 1:Right, you know what I mean. Some of them were way off, Like the people would be like no, there's nothing.
Speaker 2:Some of them were very generalized.
Speaker 1:And there's a few hundred people at one of these. I'm going to say like 200 people sitting in this. Maybe not that many, maybe like 150. But regardless, it's a big, it's a pretty good size crowd. So they might do 10 to 15 in one of these sessions right so you don't, even, might not even get right we had been to several yeah, there was three throughout the day and this was the last one of the day right and we hadn't gotten any kind of attention.
Speaker 2:None.
Speaker 1:Throughout the whole thing at all and there was a lady who we believe is now the head of the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Now, yeah, she's like the president of the Lillydale Assembly.
Speaker 1:But she was just visiting from Ohio.
Speaker 2:Is her name Amanda?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Amanda Cook maybe. I have no idea what her last name was sorry, we'll tag you in the episode so you can get some cred so she was just she was newer, she was visiting there, she wasn't some she wasn't someone that lived there.
Speaker 1:She was just visiting from ohio, I believe, and you take it from here well, I don't even know what to say. It was you, me and Dakota.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the three of us were sitting together and God. So she zoned in on us and she said that she's seen a man around us. And we kind of looked at each other because, well, dakota wouldn't have had anybody at that point.
Speaker 1:No, we didn't think that we were wondering who the man was. It wasn't what she was saying didn't really make sense, right, initially.
Speaker 2:Initially, and then she's like oh, hold on a second. She's like it's not a man, it's a man child, which my son was probably about 5', 10, probably went about six foot by that point.
Speaker 1:Six foot, he's a big kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he went like 250 pounds, probably solid, like he was just hulking. And so when she said a man child, we like kind of looked at each other and we're like I can't.
Speaker 1:And so she was sitting and then she's like I see him putting his arms around you and he's joking around and he's talking about skateboarding and he's talking about I don't remember Well, all the specific things.
Speaker 2:How we knew for sure? It was because when Anthe died he was running around with some skater kids and she said he's on a skateboard, but he's not very good and that was very he was so clumsy no that was um so yeah and so like, if I never, ever had experienced any psychic thing in my life like that would have made me be a believer.
Speaker 1:like fucking, it was crazy and I don't remember what else she said, but something else like hit bad, like real heavy. He said something. She was like he said something and I don't remember what it was, but I remember it hit like a ton of bricks. Yeah, it was like something about like he was supposed to go this way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, yeah, that this was the way it was supposed to happen, but also that he was running around hugging other people too, which would have been him, right, yeah, it was just very good and very I people too, which would have been him Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just very good and very. I mean, obviously we still talk about it today, we still get choked up about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, today's the anniversary, or like not today physically, but when we drop this episode, it is going to be the 14th anniversary of his death. So, as you can see, it still hits us. Yeah, um, but so that was probably the craziest psychic experience we've ever had. Um, what else is on my list? Well, medium, medium ship, oh, so I'll tell that other story real quick. So, um, so, I don't believe I'm a a medium. I, I don't think that I get things from the other side.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not talking to dead people. Um, I get very heavy intuitions about things. Um, but remember when we were out, were you with me in Gettysburg when I read for that couple.
Speaker 1:No no no, I.
Speaker 2:so I was out at my girlfriend's house in Gettysburg, which we can talk about, gettysburg for a whole, nother two hours.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, right Cause we, we got married in Gettysburg Gettysburg's our spot but um. So I was reading for this couple and it was a gay couple and they were getting ready to move to Texas and the kid just wanted some I don't know. He wanted some affirmation that moving to Texas is the right thing. So these guys are both military and obviously at this time this was like 2016,. Being gay in the military was acceptable, but maybe not. These guys were both buff.
Speaker 2:One was a lawyer, right, so they were like they were so just loving beautiful people, but gorgeous, sexy gays, if you ask me.
Speaker 1:And they just had everything going on for them.
Speaker 2:Right, they were even Republicans, which I didn't understand at the time but I do now. So he wanted affirmation about because he wanted to start a business and he wanted to start a personal training business when they got to Texas. And that was too much information for me. I don't like having that much information going into a reading. But I I went in and I was like okay, um so, but I just I was trying to like get a feel for the cards and I just my brain wouldn't let me because I just kept seeing this woman standing over. So you remember the beds we all had when we were like seven, eight, they were like the wooden frame bunk beds that had the ball tops. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Like oh yeah, no yeah, they all look like old wood. Yeah yeah, everybody knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Well, it was that with like a quilt that was like from the 70s maybe, and I saw this little boy laying in bed. He was probably about nine or 10. And I saw a woman standing over him and it was like she was screaming at him to wake up, but like nothing was coming out of her mouth.
Speaker 2:Like she was so mad that she couldn't get through to him. He started bawling. When I explained this to him and explained the woman to him, the one I was seeing, and he's like that makes so much sense to me. That's everything I need. That's my affirmation. So so it does happen. It happens in in little, little spurts, um, but that was his grandmother that I saw and she was dead, and she was also native american, which is really powerful, um, to have somebody like that. They are powerful. So yeah, but anyways. Um, so yeah, but anyways. Ooh, what else is on the list?
Speaker 1:But no, we're talking about.
Speaker 2:You got a story to tell that is on the list, what I don't know if you can tell it without getting emotional.
Speaker 1:What story.
Speaker 2:Devil Bill.
Speaker 1:Why is that emotional?
Speaker 2:Didn't like a whole bunch of people that you knew die after that.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, that did happen.
Speaker 2:Hi, I jumped to the punchline, sorry.
Speaker 1:So I pushed that my way Right. So when we were kids, one of the places that my grandma told us about was this place out in Jack's Mountain called Devil Bill's Devil Bill. I don't know the whole story. Behind it there was this old house. He was a really mean guy. I don't know. I don't really remember the backstory of why Devil Bill was so bad, but the townspeople hated him. He was the devil. He bathed in poop.
Speaker 2:He did bad things he ate poop sandwiches.
Speaker 1:He did eat poop. He ate poop sandwiches.
Speaker 2:I hate when you say it.
Speaker 1:He ate poop sandwiches.
Speaker 2:I don't know why that makes it grosser Poopy when he says poopy, but it makes it grosser.
Speaker 1:But so me and my friends all went out to Devil Bill's one night and there was probably like six of us and we were playing with a Ouija board, you know whatever, just messing around the cops. The cops came, we had to leave. We didn't get in trouble, but we had to leave and we made a video of this whole thing. So when we got home, like a couple days later, we were watching this videotape. Well, my friends call me, they're like you're not going to believe what's on this tape. So we go to watch this tape and in the bushes behind us, when we're doing the Ouija thing, you could see this guy's face, what looked like a guy's face. And so my friend had this videotape at his house. His dad asked him what was going on, because all this weird stuff started happening to like the like electronics and stuff like that, and he thought something was weird. So when they went to watch the tape again, it was erased. Well then, my friend, within two years, it's the original.
Speaker 1:Well, within like two months of that, that kid died in a car accident and then later his dad died shortly after that, and or his brother died. His brother committed suicide and then his dad died. So within like two years or whatever, they were all dead, and I think it was the tape the original grudge it was the grudge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, the original grudge, um, but that was very scary. Yeah, you're right, the original grudge, but that was very scary. I mean, it could have been possibly related to other things, but so that's why it's not quite as like eerie.
Speaker 2:I would say that story terrified me when you first told it.
Speaker 1:Really. It did yeah see, I don't think it's that terrifying because I don't attribute it to the tape. That's why it was very weird, but I don't think the tape got him.
Speaker 2:But now we can kind of bring up a couple other things, which is Miller's Church, oh, my goodness, we've had many a time back then.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. We've been on so many ghosts.
Speaker 2:Well, we had to get the aunt story out of the way to tell the whole Miller's church story, which is not out of the way. I love my son.
Speaker 1:Franklin County, washington County, maryland. Franklin County, pennsylvania. We've done about every Adams County, pennsylvania. We've done about every legend. Yeah, ghost hunt that you can do, yeah.
Speaker 2:We haven't done no.
Speaker 1:Even part of Frederick County, maryland, we haven't done.
Speaker 2:Cashtown, though that's on my bucket list, is the Cashtown Inn I would like to do like a real paranormal.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't mean necessarily Gettysburg, because that you could do that every day.
Speaker 2:And not get all of it in For a hundred years and not get all of it in. I mean we did like the ghost walks and stuff.
Speaker 1:We've been to a couple different ghost walks over the years and we've been to places that our friends like have taken us to and told us about, just like Saks Cover Bridge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, saks Cover Bridge, that was awesome. The scene of one of the many weddings that he's failed to that.
Speaker 1:one didn't last long at all though, sorry.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you know who you are, but your mom's seen it coming, it don't matter your mom called it.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that's what I'm there for. I'll do another one for you. Let me know when the next one's coming around. I'll do that one too. I'm not one of these people that I don't view it as some crazy.
Speaker 2:Well, they are doing a gender reveal here coming up.
Speaker 1:Well, they are doing a gender reveal here coming up.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if we're going to make that you don't do gender. I don't do christenings, christen the gender so. But I don't know the name of that pizza place now. But there's a pizza place down on York Street that used to be the Moose Now that's some ghosts I could get behind buddy.
Speaker 1:Oh, Some. Ghost phantom tossing pizzas. Phantom pepperoni smells in the air. Who's cooking stromboli?
Speaker 2:oh, that's the ghost no, but seriously, I love ghost stromboli that building is huge and old and I don't know what it was before it was the moose. You're talking about the moose, yeah but like so, you walk in the front and it's a huge bar, but off to the left was the kitchen. There was a bowling alley, but there was a dumb waiter in that dark ass hall.
Speaker 1:Dumb waiters are the devil.
Speaker 2:Fucking terrifying the devil's playground.
Speaker 1:Dumb waiters are the devil's playground.
Speaker 2:And so then you walk through the bar and there was a convention hall like a big event space with a huge stage, and in order to lock up at night, you had to go.
Speaker 1:Turn around three times, hail Satan.
Speaker 2:You had to go back through the stage, get up onto the stage in the dark and shut the bolts on the back doors. Well, so one night it was just me and my friend. Justin fucking sitting there and I was like I'm going to close the back doors.
Speaker 2:watch the front. He runs his fucking little groundhog ass the whole way around the back of the building. And I get to the back doors and go to lock them and I hear this. That was fucking terrifying. I never wanted to close the moose again. I mean, we're talking Gettysburg. Luckily I had friends that would stay in close with me, but I did not trust nary one of them after that ever. And the dumb waiter I did hear it move sometimes when I was there by myself and I fucking hated it, hated it that place by myself.
Speaker 1:And I fucking hated it Hated it.
Speaker 2:That place was scary.
Speaker 1:Did it ever deliver the devil?
Speaker 2:To my knowledge yes. No.
Speaker 1:It brought the devil and a trip around the kitchen With the best bologna you'll ever eat.
Speaker 2:The best.
Speaker 1:bologna Shout out Booker's Meats, mcknight's Town yes, right outside of Gettysburg it is the oh man, my favorite butcher shop, but they make this bologna there, that'll blow your Don't talk about the bologna, the bologna will blow your fucking socks off, don't talk about it, don't run out of it, shh.
Speaker 2:The bologna will blow your fucking socks off that their bologna is in the Gilded Trash Hall of hall of fame I mean it's the best bloat like oh my god, I don't even want to. Don't talk about it anymore well, since you brought up food, though, what is your favorite thing that you look forward to on a ghost? Hunt skittles oh no, every halloween time, right around Halloween, there's a resurgence of a very popular food product.
Speaker 1:Count Chocula Frankenberry Boo-Berry, boo-berry.
Speaker 2:Now they got this new bitch. I don't know what it is. I don't like.
Speaker 1:Caramella. I don't want caramel flavored cereal. No, thank you.
Speaker 2:I don't like any of that, but they did have a.
Speaker 1:They got that. The fruit monster, the wolf, the fruit. I don't know what. It is Something.
Speaker 2:Fruity mummies.
Speaker 1:No, the mummy is Frankenberry.
Speaker 2:I don't know what they are.
Speaker 1:But there's another one, the fruit wolf, or something like that. The fruit wolf will get you Fruit wolf. I want a shirt that says fruit wolf.
Speaker 2:And you've become quite the pumpkin carver over the years.
Speaker 1:I have become quite the pumpkin carver.
Speaker 2:I was going to make him carve one and put it on the Deus Deus.
Speaker 1:But speaking of haunted cereals, I once had a box of grape nuts and it haunted me until the day I died.
Speaker 2:We are still alive, so why would grape nuts?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I was just being silly.
Speaker 2:Oh, you are silly.
Speaker 1:Well, back to. You were talking about McKnight's town. I mean, you were talking about cash town. You're talking about all the areas around Gettysburg. What you forgot that we were talking about is Miller's Church oh my god, miller's Church so the point?
Speaker 1:so Miller's Church is this place outside of Hagerstown. Supposedly there was this. There's a lot of local legends. You can go research it for yourself because we don't know what the exact. Nobody knows what the exact story is. Everybody's been told there was devil worship this and that, but we I actually tried to dig into some of the history back when I was in high school.
Speaker 2:It's all word of mouth.
Speaker 1:And it's all word of mouth. There was no real definitive things, although I will say that the founder of the church. When I looked him up in the Franklin County Biological Index, which tracks every person ever born in Franklin County throughout history, he's born in the 17-somethings. He was on page 666. Shut your filthy.
Speaker 2:You lie no he was.
Speaker 1:We had it in the video we made. That was Blair Witch. When I was in high school, blair Witch came out and in journalism class you were making a little documentary about something scary and me and my friend also named Justin weird did Miller's Church. We talked to my grandma, we did it. You know what I mean. We went out there, um and. But we did a lot of history research into the area and that's when I found that the founder of the church, jacob Miller, was on page 666 of the 1790 edition no, I don't have it, whatever Of the Franklin County Biological Index.
Speaker 2:That's insane.
Speaker 1:But we actually chickened out of going out there. We went out in the daytime, we did full investigation. We chickened out at night when we went out. We went out there and got scared. Left went back to my mom's house to shoot the scenes in the woods, and lucky for us. We back to my mom's house to shoot the scenes in the woods, and lucky for us. We were like, pretending like to be scared, but there was an entire flock of turkeys surrounding us in the pine trees and they all took off at once and scared the ever living daylights out of it I don't know if you ever heard a flock of turkeys take off?
Speaker 1:but it sounds like a goddamn engine. That's awesome it's like that's fantastic. 40 turkeys flapping their wings, oh man.
Speaker 2:I love it. So I actually had an experience at Miller's Church when I was younger. A bunch of us rode out there and, to be fair, I had like an old Dodge something or other, like it wasn't the best of cars. We're just going to say that Right, dodge something or other, like it wasn't the best of cars, we're just going to say that Right. So it could have really been car trouble, who knows. But there was like a story that if you go out to Miller's Church and get up to right before you come down the hill to where the cemetery would be on your right the hill to where the cemetery would be on your right um, if you turn your lights off that a car would come speeding up and just plow the devil's dragon yeah, like it was like a hearse, allegedly, or whatever, and it would just drive through you like so ghost train we turned the car off and then the car would not turn back on.
Speaker 2:And it was the scariest thing and the radio turned on and it was doing that like fuzzy shit, hold on. So we pushed the car out into like a farmer's lane to get it off the road and we started walking down the road. So this guy comes out and he's in a truck and he's like coming out of his driveway and he's like what are you doing? And we're like our car broke down back there and he's like were you back at Miller's church?
Speaker 1:And we were like yeah, and he's like I'm Miller.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm the ghost of Miller's church. He was like no, I'm just joking, I'll give you guys a ride. But he wanted me to sit up front and it was a truck with one cab. And there was like so I made my friend Brian get in the front seat with us. And he touched Brian instead I made Brian get in the middle and when he got to the end of the lane, Brian's never been the same.
Speaker 2:What's the main road there lightersburg pike. When he got out to lightersburg pike, they all just jumped out of the back and I was like well, and swung the door open and jumped out. I was so fucking scared um, so it's funny.
Speaker 1:You say that, though, because the story, that one of the stories that grandma used to tell about one night that pap came home drunk and you know they would leave when he would come home that drunk, and they took my uncle bo's gremlin, I believe. Oh, my god and they back then. Here's the story. Though you could park it, you could pull into the where the church was, and they got it chained off. Now, yeah, you can pull up into the thing and, yeah, it's fenced off now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like there's the road thing you could pull in there, but anyway, something happened happened. They all got scared, they went to leave and their doors were all locked and the car wouldn't start I hate that and then eventually they did get out of there, obviously because they're all still with us. But right, but like we're not all of them, but they didn't die that day, but it just begs the question because, again, it was grandma and three teenage boys, right? No, it was grandma, an adult man, but it was in his 20s.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Dad was older too, so they might have both been adults, okay.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying like Young men.
Speaker 1:Young and probably emotional and heightened emotion because you're thinking of ghosts and trying to be scared and all that I mean they used to go back there all the time.
Speaker 2:I think that's what happened to my car, though, is that everybody was just like freak the fuck out.
Speaker 1:And that makes cars shut off. And it just like zapped out and makes cars shut off.
Speaker 2:It sure enough does. Well then, we had our own experience out there. Oh god, I don't it was? I don't even remember like I know exactly when it was. It was 2017. It was like it was the week between fourth of july and my and so Anthe would have been gone seven years at this point, and we were out riding around and I was just thinking about him. You know what.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:When we do that, I have his funeral CD that we play.
Speaker 1:We listen to all his songs. Right.
Speaker 2:I wanted to go up to the cemetery but it was starting to get dark and the they get the farmers that live up there. They get a little pissy when they get there.
Speaker 1:They're Mennonites and you know how they get boy. He'll come out and get you.
Speaker 2:But so I didn't want to fool around with all that. So we were like, okay, let's just go out riding around Miller's church, and I don't even know like we slow I don't know if we slowed down or if we stopped stop moving the table.
Speaker 1:It was just not like, but yeah good.
Speaker 2:Well, my camera was gone. Um but I felt somebody kicked the back of my seat.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And I was like, babe, we have a passenger, well, let's go. But we were talking about Ant that whole night, so I don't know what led us to believe it was Anthony.
Speaker 1:But something else happened. I don't remember that we're like whoa, yeah, because like it was definitely like some week like heard or saw somebody sitting back there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and like it was very weird.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know exactly what it was. I know exactly what it was. So we were a trip all the time. Do not judge us, but there was trash on the back floor of the vehicle and it sounded like somebody was back there kicking the trash around to get their feet settled.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what it was, and I remember we saw somebody sitting back there too, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like.
Speaker 1:You definitely. There was like a spectral image.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing is, I'm scared to death to look in the rear view mirror when we're traveling to see if there's anything behind me, because I swear to Christ there's somebody behind me, like 40% of the time.
Speaker 1:Like the old scary stories to tell in the dark. Speaking of paranormal, that was a book that I was scared to read because that book came out when I was like in first grade. What was it? Scary stories to tell in the dark oh, it was just like a collection of ghost stories yes and, oh, buddy, was I terrified.
Speaker 1:I didn't even want to read. I was like I don't even. I didn't even want to read bloody mary. That's how scared I was of it, because it had a thing in there. I didn't. You've already said it once bloody mary, biggie smiles, biggie smiles, biggie smiles I love that episode it's so good I could totally watch that um bloody mary.
Speaker 1:So oh, I used to try that buddy and I'd be scared shitless well, I mean. So that's the thing is like we all grew up in the age of bloody mary, candy man um, we grew up in the golden age of like horror movies and stuff coming of ghosts being talked about in movies, tv shows, books, so that was very much a part of it was our pop culture, yeah. Very much a part of our pop culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Ouija boards, obviously. Yeah, me and my friends used to mess with Ouija boards all the time and I sorry guys, hate to burst your bubble, but I was the one moving it 90% of the time because I just wanted to scare the shit out of you guys. Amber Susie, if you're listening, it was me. There was never a guy who died on a motorcycle. I made that whole story up, but it was fun. So, oh my God, I used to. I used to make shit up all the time.
Speaker 1:So that's the thing is, when I was younger I used to pretend that I was more psychic than I was.
Speaker 2:I know, I used to pretend that I was psychic I mean I am kind of psychic, but not then. Um, and what else did we used to do? Oh, light as a feather, stiff as a board, no, I think, if I recall you never had heard of that one before.
Speaker 1:No, but I feel like is that the one they did that movie? Yeah, I mean I think I had heard of it, but I never knew anybody that did it.
Speaker 2:We've done that so many times and it works, and I don't know what it is. You have to have two or three people on each side of a person and you just stick just your two fingers right up under the person and you start chanting light is a feather. Light is a feather. Stiff as a board. They don't like it. You can pick them up like that it's crazy.
Speaker 2:I've seen it done, I've been there, I've done it. It's so easy. They become light as feather. I don't know what it is. It's like some kind of crazy psychic phenomenon.
Speaker 1:No, I know. Well, that's the other thing too. I'm sitting here thinking of all these stories Because, you know, I literally could talk two hours of grandma Reed stories. But let's talk a little bit about ghost hunting TV shows.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Because Do we?
Speaker 2:have to.
Speaker 1:No, we don't have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, we don't have no, yeah, no, no, because at a certain point there was never ghost hunting Before.
Speaker 1:Ghost hunters you very, you might hear about it in historical places, people doing these things, but like before the movie Ghostbusters, Like that's what Ghost hunting wasn't real.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, like you had people like Ed and Lorraine Warren, but that wasn't real.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, like you had people like ed and lorraine warren, but that wasn't ghost hunting, they were helping people with to get rid of like to get rid of ghost or whatever, which is a little bit different I love the warrens yeah, I mean that's a whole, whole, another diatribe. But so when ghost hunters came out, it was like, oh my goodness, there's professionals, they.
Speaker 2:It was like the real ghostbusters right these people are really gonna well before that there was that mtv show though fear no. Ghost hunters was before that ghost hunters came out before fear I think so.
Speaker 1:I don't think it, but they're two totally different types of shows.
Speaker 2:They are two totally different types of show, but it was the same. It's the same concept, only one people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess it did come out way after.
Speaker 2:but One group of people were educated in hiding ghosts and one people were not. That's the only difference.
Speaker 1:Right, these people? Well, yeah, that was more of like a game show, right where they're just trying to survive a night in a, but that was terrifying, oh it was. That was a crazy show fear. It was also like the scariest places on earth same concept, different channel. Scariest places on earth was my shit, though, because it had the one and only what's her name Zelda.
Speaker 2:Zelda Rubenstein yeah.
Speaker 1:And she'd get on there and be like welcome to Bavaria, one of the scariest places on earth. And then Linda Blair was the host, but it's narrated by the poltergeist lady. Are you kidding me, Right? Come on.
Speaker 2:I love it. Great show right come on I love it great show um ghost hunters.
Speaker 1:We're talking about ghost hunters being like the first ghost hunting show yeah and then there's a thousand cents then, so much so that it's not even cool to watch none of them, these boxes where they talk to go and you're like, and it's like they're like, I heard it say Satan, did you? It said Satan, and you don't know what it says. We tried an experiment. Don't watch it when they play those. You'll never figure out what the fuck it says.
Speaker 1:Right If you don't watch, because they always flash the word up on the screen you're not here, or they say it Right and you're like oh, they'll be like oh, it said no murder or whatever.
Speaker 2:No, it didn't. It really didn't Just stop it. We know you need content Back to filler. It's back to filler. It's just like the damn. How many ghost hunting shows do we need?
Speaker 1:It's just like the damn, how many ghost hunting shows do we need? How many we got ghost adventurers, ghost hunters, ghost brothers, ghost sisters, ghost mothers.
Speaker 2:We've got the.
Speaker 1:Ghost to ghost. The Tennessee rape chasers. The Tennessee rape chasers.
Speaker 2:Rape chasers.
Speaker 1:And they go around raping ghosts. And it's horrifying. I don't know if you've ever seen a ghost ghosts and it's horrifying. I don't know if you've ever seen a ghost rape, but it's not pretty.
Speaker 2:Gross, yeah, so it was really exciting when Ghost Hunters came out, like it just felt like an awesome thing, it was new.
Speaker 1:It quickly got diluted, though.
Speaker 2:Clearly, people, it's not happening in this century, and here's why and I think this is a good way to wrap it up with a thought about what we're going to talk about next week right still in paranormal, still in paranormal. We've got a really long episode.
Speaker 1:We just barely scratched the surface. We didn't get out of grandma's stories.
Speaker 2:No, there's so much, but in my mind I firmly believe that ghosts are part of the sim. Oh, we talked about this and we are never going to have definitive proof until we extract ourselves from the sim or figure out how it's programmed until we extract ourselves from the sim or figure out how it's programmed Right?
Speaker 1:We talked about this. They're literally ghosts in the machine. So if simulation theory is correct and this is all just a simulation, we think it's just traces of old code and stuff that kind of gets left behind as they rewrite stuff and do things.
Speaker 2:Listen, I know I've got programmer friends out there. I know I've got geeks listening. Listen, you know as well as I do. If you've got an old-ass piece of code and you try to change something in it and you leave some phantom piece of code in there that's now no longer operating on anything that happens downstream, in that logic it's just going to run on its own off here on the side and every time you kick off that job that piece of code is going to run, but it's not attached to the outcome.
Speaker 1:That's what a ghost is. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2:Do you have any parting words for us, because we're going to dive into?
Speaker 1:this next time? Yeah for sure. Oh yeah, we're going to talk about 100 things. We're going to revisit some stuff we probably glossed over when we got to rambling about we haven't talked about goblins. We haven't talked about goblins, we haven't talked about ghouls, we haven't talked about synchronicities.
Speaker 2:We haven't talked about witches. We didn't even get to.
Speaker 1:UFO.
Speaker 2:We didn't.
Speaker 1:UFO is paranormal it is paranormal.
Speaker 2:It's going to have to be its own. Listen, Masonic Temple is having a cryptid.
Speaker 1:That's another thing. Cryptids are part of the paranormal. So a lot of people believe it all goes together. It's all part of the same mystery Cryptids, ufos, ghosts. They think it's all connected.
Speaker 2:We'll delve into that next time, and I'm here to tell you, folks, that I literally have a sim explanation for every single one of those phenomena.
Speaker 1:Now I'd like to leave some parting words today from one, mr Henny Youngman. You know, henny Youngman, good fellas, take my wife please. That guy, take my wife please. I know a man who doesn't pay to have his trash taken out. How does he get rid of his trash? He gift wraps it and puts it into an unlocked car. Henny Youngman, take my wife please, oh my God, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Don't talk about good fellas, that's a whole nother team. No, I know.
Speaker 1:We'll get there. All right, we'll see you.
Speaker 2:Until next time, folks.
